Now, I know Andrew is trying to tell the world that God does not see having four wives as being right. Yes, the Bible says do not commit adultery.

But that is why Islam differs from Christianity. I, myself am a Christian. I do not think it is right to marry four wives. But I do not think it is right to question other people’s religion either. Instead of questioning the flaws of Islam, why not just say to the Muslims, “Jesus loves you even though you do not see things the way He does right now.” Isn’t that better?

This is the main reason why so many people are dying because of religion. This is why people are killed. Because one religion couldn’t just try to co-exist with another. They have to open their mouth to say other religion is wrong. That is not suppose to be.

Christianity is different and Islam is different. It should just stop there. No need to debate who is right or wrong. Because it will never end. It is the same like looking at a coin just from different angles. One might say it is thin and one might say it is thick. Then both of them argue for centuries about it and never solve it. Why not just let it be the way it is? It is a coin. Why not say, I accept the way you see the coin, and you should accept the way I see it too. Even though we do not agree but we give in into each other in terms of respect. Respect enough to not pour cold water on other people’s belief.

So, I think that Islam has their own way of looking at the coin. I as a Christian have my own way of looking at it. And we should just respect each others views and try to get along.

Haven’t we fought long enough?

Jesus loved the Gentiles too. I am a Gentile and I will do my best to walk in His footsteps and love others like how He has loved me. Isn’t that what Jesus wants us, Christians to do? Love one another?

God can fight His own war. We shouldn’t try starting another one for Him. In His Name. Because that would be your own doing as a human.

May I asked you questions…
do you have a muslim closed friend (I mean in your real life, not in internet life)
for your info, I’ve indian best friend, and he not “suka2″ say to my religion…and of course he is a christian…
I’m not marah kat you, but I wonder….you’re so daring

1st time I read your transcript, regarding lina joy…
I agreed…
but now when I read this topics, I shocked!!!!!
I’ve “tercabar” and for sure I will create a blog (might be Dec 2008)which is compare your religion against Islam….
I will show the truth….

and you are very welcome to comment wat eva you want…

[I'm sorry if I've hurt you by this post. I really apologize for it. And I have close Muslim friend's and we do talk about religions all the time. Its just in my point of view of I felt about this topic. Please do not take me wrongly. If it really offense you and you want me to take it out, I will take this topic out. I dun wanna hurt anyone and I respect you guys and also love you'll.
Why do you feel tercabar, I see that most of the Muslim's always want a debate if they see sumthing against them.]

The Injil (the Arabic word for the Christian Gospels, from the Greek evangel) is, according to Islam, one of the three holy books revealed by Allah prior to the Qur’an – the others being the Zabur (Psalms) and the Tawrat (Torah). Together, these four books make up the revealed books of Islam.

In Christianity, the term gospel can be used to mean different things, including:

to denote the proclamation of God’s saving activity in Jesus of Nazareth, or to denote the agape message proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth: this is the original New Testament usage (for example Mark 1:14-15 or 1 Corinthians 15:1-9; see also Strong’s G2098);
more popularly, the four canonical Gospels, which are attributed to the Four Evangelists: (Gospel of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke and Gospel of John): the term “a reading from the Gospel” can refer to any of the 4 books;
other non-canonical works of antiquity that purport to quote Jesus (e.g., Gospel of Thomas);
a genre of Early Christian literature (cf. Peter Stuhlmacher, ed., Das Evangelium und die Evangelien, Tübingen 1983, also in English: The Gospel and the Gospels).

some christian people i met stated this though: injil=gospel..

so I hope no one will not be confused with my previous post..in a simple way, what I’m trying to say is we as a muslim believe the four holy books (torrah, zabur, etc)..but we do not believe the corrupted versions (as stated in our relegion) thank you..

The holy prophet Moses was the meekest man “above all the men which were upon the face of the earth” (at his time). (Numbers 12:3.)

The Spirit of God was upon Moses. (Numbers 11:17.)

And Moses had two wives.

1) Zipporah: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6
2) Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15)

Zipporah was not the “Ethiopian woman” herself. Zipporah was of the tribe of Midian. Genesis 25:1-3 shows that Midian was one of the six sons born unto Abraham by his third wife, Keturah. Thus, Zipporah was “Abrahamic”, who was “Shemitic” (i.e., descended of Noah’s son Shem, per Genesis 10:1; 11:11-27). But the “Ethiopian woman” (“Cushite woman” in the Hebrew) descended of Cush, who was “Hamitic” (i.e., descended of Noah’s son Ham, per Genesis 10:1,6). Indeed, Zipporah, being of Noah’s son, Shem, could not be the “Ethiopian woman” who was of Ham (Shem’s brother).

Also, the timing of Moses’ marriage to the Ethiopian woman can be determined by Numbers 33:1-49,17 and 11:35 with 12:16 which “surrounds” the story about Moses marrying the Ethiopian woman in Numbers 12:1-15. This is clearly much later than the time when Moses married Zipporah in Exodus 2:15,22.

Therefore, the Shemitic/Abrahamic Midianitess Zipporah could not possibly be the Hamitic/non-Abrahamic “Ethiopian woman”.

For anyone who would attempt to assert that “Zipporah was dead” by the time that Moses married the Ethiopian woman, they are the ones who have the “burden of proof” to demonstrate and validate their assertion.

After all, the principle of “assumed status quo” logic mandates that, unless otherwise specifically reported otherwise, one must believe that the status quo remains. For example, as long as a man’s wife is still alive, he does not walk around reporting that she is still alive! People naturally accept the “status quo” remains (i.e., that she is still alive) until otherwise reported. It is only when there is a reported change to the status quo that one then accepts the change. But until such a change is reported, logic “assumes the status quo” remains.

As such, the “burden of proof” in the assertion about Zipporah is upon those who would assert that Moses supposedly married the Ethiopian woman after “Zipporah had (supposedly) died”. Conversely, those who logically believe otherwise have no such “burden of proof” at all.

The absolutely undeniable fact is that there is not one single verse in the Bible to substantiate such an assertion that “Zipporah (supposedly) had died”. As such, the argument wholly fails exegetically to prove itself.

As such, it is wholly logical to simply and reasonably “assume the status quo” remains, believing that Zipporah was, of course, alive too when Moses married the Ethiopian woman.

[When was Moses time... Moses was before the law... He only received the law after that... And other prophets who practise polygamy is considered sinful... Check out David and Soloman's story... And I'm not interested in debating anymore because I got not much time to answer all these... I'll be back on December for this kinda issue... For now I'll just be posting as usual...]

and by the way: as far as I know, in Islam gospel means “injil” while bible is another thing. We believe in Gospel (injil) but not bible.

To adwraj: good luck for your spm examination. My turn is next year,..haha! to abuhanaan: Jazakallah khairan. We certainly need more Malaysians like you to be active in the internet to spread ‘the real Islam’. Thanks. God knows best!

Good work man. Allahuakbar. Semoga Allah memberkati saudara.

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