Jun 6
How Satan changes God’s commandment and uses another religion to deceive nations !!
*Note : No offense to Islam religion
God gave the Ten Commandment’s during the time of Moses…
This was to make human life better…
Lets see how Islam derives after the long time research by Prof. Satan.
God said that, you shall not commit adultery !
Click here to view the meaning of adultery at wikipedia.
And Satan replied, you shall have four wives, and if you feel bored, change those but keep only four at a time.
Lets see, if God said you shall not commit adultery and then if Islam says that you can have four wifes at a time, how does God’s eyes see that ?? Isn’t it adultery ?? I heard an Islam brother saying that Muhammad only loved his first wife and the rest was the outcome of good work. He says that most of them are not young girls…
But, thats not the point. Who cares if the lady is old or young.
If adultery is wrong, it is wrong !!
God is just and holy right ?? How can he accept these ??
This is just my view on how satan indirectly derives people.
And this is not to insult or to go against anyone. Its just a point of view.
Please comment to make things clear.
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I agree with you on your view. Like to hear what others have to say about it.
[Thanks, yea i'm waiting too..]
Err…is this to be highlighting an issue or generalization ?
[Its general la bro]
Do you mean God used wikipedia before He made the commandment to Moses?
[No, wikipedia is for our understanding the meaning of a word. So if its so general that if a man marries a woman and if he has affair with another, its adultery]
very true..wiki is only used to define the meaning of the word ..
..just in case some people who sadly cant grasp the meaning of it..
andrew gotta use the online encyclopedia!
in which now..there seem to be one pitiful soul here..
hmm..sad thing..
tsk..tsk..
[Fren, I didnt mean to insult a religion... Its just my point of view on the Christian side... I understand the meaning well]
hi there. Here are my points of view in Islamic side. I smells Islamphobic here and seriously, you guys need to learn Islam from reliable sources first to know why true Muslims really appreciate Islam as their religion (it won’t take just one year to have a proper understanding,..start with aqidah first (the root) not the branches bro!.
first and foremost, islam does not view god as something that has the same characteristic of His creations. From our perspective, what allah think about a deed (whether it’s good or not) can only be decided by referring to the holy quran, hadith, or ijma’ ulamaa. So it’s pointless to assume that Allah really think like human do that is lack of knowledge in the first place.
A true Muslim didn’t practice anything religious unless it’s practiced by Muhammad S.A.W himself during his time so it’s a religion of authenticity. Does Christians pray by touching their head to the ground like Jesus did? Does what you guys did in the church was taught by Jesus himself..? I don’t think so. They are all creations.
Back to the topic, I would like to question adwraj with one question. Let’s look back at history. Historically, (almost all, or all: not really sure tho) the prophets except Jesus, who was not married, had more than one wife and during the pre-Islamic period, men used to have many wives too that it’s not a rare condition. Does the prophets before Jesus received the command from Satan to have more than one wife? Was it a mistake by Allah?
My perspective: Allah completed a religion that suitable for all human races which is Islam during the Prophet S.A.W time, so it’s understandable that the number of wife’s limit is stated there. And the Satan thingy, if he’s the one who created islam, why would he promotes good deeds in it (greeting each other with salam, etc) Think again,
*Prophet Muhammad S.A.W loves all his wives, but Khadijah ‘the most’. Your muslim friend’s mistake there.
[My friend, I did not say in your Allah's eye, I meant in my God's eyes... I did not say that God's see's thing's like we see. And I do learn from reliable sources and not only from friends. By the way, i'm a protestant Christian and apostle Paul taught many ways to keep the church in order. Therefore those things we do in church are just for an order in church but marrying many wifes ??
Please quote which prophet?? Only those who were before the law of Moses had many wifes except King Soloman as you all know. Wife is not the matter of limit. Ok the Satan thingy, if he told you, 'Go kill' or 'Go lie'. you wouldnt take that as a religion. He had to put something good in it but slightly changed a bit from God's law(Now you think).]
Andrew,
When you are discussing (I take it in good faith that you really did not mean to offend Islam) religions, it is important to define words and terms in its original revealed language. Adultery in wikipedia is not necessarily have the same meaning with zina in Arabic. Even the commandment was not mentioned by Moses in English (what was it, Hebrew?). There are 2 categories of zina offenders in Islam, married and unmarried person. If a married person have sex out of wedlock, it is zina (adultery). It is the same with an unmarried who have sex out of wedlock, it is also zina. This is where wikipedia and Islamic definitions differ. So, the issue of adultery in Islam is SEX OUT OF WEDLOCK, WHETHER OR NOT THE OFFENDERS ARE MARRIED WILL ONLY DETERMINE THE PUNISHMENT. What has that to do with polygamy? It is legal as far as Islam is concerned. Its pathetic to see someone like David Beckham has to resort to dirty sms with another woman when he can easily marry more than one with all his possessions. Man (not all though) have the capability to handle more than one wife. God legalized it, but satan prefer mistress and, of course dirty sms so that Daily Mirror can sell newspapers.
[Yea its true that its legal in Islam, but what I was trying to mean was in Christian side, how does this thing look like]
hey, i don’t really agree with you.
That’s just the way of Islam.
If I Don’t know any better , I’d say You’re questioning Islam ..
[This is not about questioning Islam, its about how it differs from Christianity fren]
ok friend,it’s good to know what non-Muslim people thinks about islam: sorry if this offense you but how many years have you been learning islam? ok, how about some tests? Define these clearly: shariah, tauhid, bidaah, taghut, hudud law, as-sunnah, al-kitab, ahlul-sunnah wal jamaah, syiah.
I have to say that if you don’t understand those concepts above you will view Islam just like “the liberals did (islam only on IC)”.
did a search in google and found this question was one of most frequently asked questions about islam. i guess they are better than me than explaining this so why don’t have a look?
http://www.islam-usa.com/25ques.html
http://www.quransearch.com/ntpoly.htm
[I know a few of those words, not all.. But thats not important... The importance is how we understand the meaning of it...]
please explain what do you got from the way you understand the meaning of ‘those few words you know’. [lie detector]
it’s just like you’re telling you know how to program but misinterpret the definition of variables or function..weird ain’t it? hmmm..
[I'm sorry.. I don't wish to like chat on my post bout those words.. Thats why I didnt put that meaning there..]
This is not about questioning Islam, its about how it differs from Christianity fren]
what ??
what is the point here ??
you know how I see this ?
It’s like you put hair spray on your hair
and I USE GEL ON MINE .
and you’re askin me why i put gel ..
different religion different rules and ways la ..
[Yes I know, but this post is showing how my religion see's that]
Fren, I didnt mean to insult a religion… Its just my point of view on the Christian side… I understand the meaning well]
dude..i didnt mean u..
…look properly…
ish.
[Oo ok...sry.. Now I get you... Yea, some ppl can't grasp the meaning]
Well, how about Wikipedia Theologian Andrew enlighten us now on what “Satan” has in mind when he despise intoxicants and gambling more than “God” that he created law to punish drinkers and gamblers? As for “God”, just accept me, it’s okay to drink and gamble.
[My friend, Mr. Satan is not as stupid as we think. He knows what is right and wrong as well... He knew that drinkin, gambling is not good for health and many will lose their money gambling. So to make it look as if that religion was very gud in man's eyes, he put that law in... Anyways no other religion says that you can gamble or drink rite ?? And even pigs... Even at olden days people knew that it was not a clean animal, therefore Satan was very smart to give that commandment. And people who believed it finnally comes out saying ' You see, my God very good.. he tell me not to touch or eat such dirty animal..'... How's that ??]
So why don’t “God” created law so that the people that he “died” for will stay away from evil such as drinking, gambling, adultery etc?
[He did, but in a smarter way... He said that our body is the temple of God.. Soif my body is the temple of God, will I drink and spoil my body, or will i commit adultery... And I shud have faith in God, he will provide me the money I need...not by gambling...]
So smart his approach that alcohol and gambling are now big industries in the world of the people he “died” for? Didn’t he foresee this? Didn’t he care? Looks like “Satan” cares.
[My friend, he cares... But its up to you to choose...you wanna drink or not... Don't take it in the whole just because some guys over there call themselves Christians...]
The law came under Moses (pbuh). The love came under Jesus (pbuh). These law and love are meant for “the lost sheep of Israel”, Andy. Certainly not for you. That is why Jesus(pbuh) brought no law, since Allah commanded it to the Israelites through Moses (pbuh). In the Final Revelation, there are both love and law, good and bad news.
STORY ONE
Once upon a time, there was a prophet sent to a group of people. He taught them that God is one. No associate, no relatives. So the people followed him duly. As time passed, the prophet died. He left the people all his teachings and virtues. One day, one of the followers came up with an idea. He said that why not paint a picture of the prophet now that he’s gone and a lot of people missing him. Others argued that the prophet prohibited that during his time. The man said that the prophet was just being humble, and that’s why he prohibited it. He added that if it is done with good intentions, why not? After all, they will find it difficult to tell the future generations about the prophet minus the painting. Let us just paint it before we forget how he looked like. Upon some discussions, the people agree to paint the picture and it is put inside the man’s house. However, some people disagree, claiming that it should be put inside the worship house so that everyone can see it.
After some time, the painting started to lose color. So the people became panic, hence the idea to make a statue that will not lose color. After some deliberations like the first time, they agreed to erect a statue of the prophet and put it inside the worship house. Thousand years on, it is now a statue worshipping religion instead of promoting Oneness of God. Here, Satan worked on uncontrolled LOVE.
STORY TWO
Like the first story, the prophet died. This time, the people were frustrated because they feel that the prophet missed some important things before he died. One of the followers said that how can he just died before telling us how God looks like? Some others replied that he will never go into that, even if he’s still alive. They just have to accept the descriptions of God’s power the prophet told them. But some sections were not satisfied. They started to look at themselves and how fast they can run. We are fast with two feet, so God must have 10. Others claimed that they are strong enough with two hands, so God must have 10. Another group said that since bear is the biggest and the strongest animal, and the prophet said that God is great and powerful, the bear must be God’s representative on this earth. Thousand years on, the future generations worship statue with 10 hands, 10 feet and 5 heads. They are also fond of large animals. Here, Satan worked on uncontrolled CURIOSITY and CREATIVITY.
STORY THREE
This is a well known story about how a group of people decided (after a small matter of few hundred years) that someone was actually related to God. They also glorify the object on which the said God’s relative “died”, and it could have been anything. Luckily for them, it was somewhat a decent object. They glorify the object even though the said God’s relative himself has never specifically asked them to do that to the object on which he will “die”. Here Satan worked on uncontrolled LOVE, CURIOSITY and CREATIVITY.
And please note the timing of Satan. It will always be AFTER the prophet died/gone that he starts to make human abandon the core teaching of the prophets.
That is why the people of the Final Revelation are so sensitive towards new ideas/innovations in the name of faith as well as towards “religious” objects or paintings be it an insulting cartoon or a fine artwork masterpiece. Those are the first steps towards following the path of the previous people, and as the last defenders of the Oneness of God creed, they shall pass the teachings to next generations just as how it was taught to Adam (pbuh) on day one.
[In catholic churches, they have statues and painting, but in protestant churches we do not have all that. So don't claim that we are worshiping statues. God is spirit and we worship him. We can't even imagine God's power my friend. And next, the cross is a significant thing to remember his way of death not to worship it. But I don't really get what you're tryin to say... Sorry..]
hey! seems like you are shouting for attention like Menj. =)
You want more traffic izzit?
[No la fren... This was in my mind la bro... After watching some movie...]
We can’t even imagine God’s power my friend.
I have some ideas of His power, He can create man without father and mother like Adam (pbuh) and Eve. Also he can create man without father like Jesus (pbuh). A test of faith to us regarding His power, and some people made up stories about Him having a child.
[Man, now i get where are you heading to.. Bro, its not a physical child..]
But the womb in which he was carried was physical, and how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
[That woman was a virgin right ?? So thats not an outcome of a man and woman... And it was God's spirit which went in to that woman... Therefore he's clean...]
God’s spirit not necessarily means he’s Son of God. Who’s then, God’s “wife”? Must be Father, Mother and Son.
[Yea, crusader is right. Spirit not neccesary have mother and father...]
God’s spirit not necessarily means he’s Son of God. Who’s then, God’s “wife”? Must be Father, Mother and Son.
you do not question the authority and plans or whatsoever of Him alright.
his logic is far higher than yours so just please shuddup.
Here’s a story on trinity’s logic:
It is said that three men converted to Christianity. The priest taught them the Christian faith especially the doctrine of trinity. Once a friend of the priest came to see him. He asked the priest if he had properly taught them the basic faith. The priest calls the converts to his presence and asked his friend to test their knowledge.
He asked one of the converts about the trinity. He answered that he had been taught that there are three gods. One is in heaven, another that was born of Mary and a third that descended on the second god in the form of dove when he was 30 years old. The priest was angry with him and asked the second convert the same question. He said that there were three gods. The Jews killed one of them so that there only two gods left.
The priest admonished him on his ignorance and put the same question to the third convert. He was the most intelligent of the three. He answered that by the grace of the lord he had learnt all that was taught to him. He said that: One is three and three are one. One of them was crucified and because of their unity the other two also died. Now there is no god.
I KNOW, DON’T QUESTION THE LOGIC BECAUSE THAT THE BEST ANSWER YOU EVER HAD ALL YOUR LIFE. Sunday school must be short, because all questions will be answered with: Have faith, don’t question, He knows best, Salvation is the way etc etc
[R u a Christian convert to Muslim ?? If one died all died, then when one ressurects all ressurects according to your logic... Hey, God i one and its trinity because each has their own role... Jesus has his part to do and holy spirit has his part to do and God is in control of everything and its the same spirit which is in three of them..]
‘hey! seems like you are shouting for attention like Menj’
Sorry to say Andrew..
but I think that’s the thing you’re doing,
for attention..
Your post has no meaning here..
Sorry k ..
[Friend, how many times do I tell that its my point of view from the Christian side.. I think you feel bad because you get critisized in your blog.. I saw your post regarding 'blogs are evil'. What you mean by no meaning ? I'm not questioning their religion, its just how it looks on this side... It got nothing to do with attention... MenJ is one crook who uses this kinda topics, but he directly talk bad about the other religion. I don't think I'm like him..]
Hey, Andrew, I was just looking through your site/blog…
Not bad what you’ve done with your domain…
Regarding some of your posts, I’m a Christian too, and I believe what the Bible says is true…
But whether you meant to or not, it’s looks you’re attacking other religions and ideologies. The tone of some of the comments you receive should confirm that… I don’t think that kind of debate/fighting will do “us” or “them” any good…
[Yea, thx friend.. Its just my point of view on the Christian side la.. Anyways it was quite bad i think.. Ill do in a better way next time]
wow, so many comments on a very interesting topic. As always, this kind of topic do produce such comments as the above.
For me, I just leave it to the One GOD that I believe all this while to judge on all this. Interesting topic with interesting debate. That is what blog is all about. I’m actually enjoying this.
Abuhanaan, l m sure you heard the sayings,’Tuhan adakan yang tiada, dan tiadakan yang ada’.so God doesn’t need to have a wife to have a son or else it makes Him no diffrent from human being.So if it pleases Him to called Jesus His son then why are we as human keep questioning Him since we called Him ALMIGHTY GOD, ALL KNOWING GOD, ALL POWERFUL GOD. l speak from a christian point of view and hope l don’t offend anyone. l assume you speak as a muslim. l have alot of lndonesian christians whom are formerly muslims but choose to believed in Jesus because they admitted that no other prophets in the holy books are so confident to say ‘I am The Way The Truth and The Life’ other than Jesus Christ , even if you are familiar with your holy book, Prophet Muhammad admitted that ‘No one has ever been so close to God other than AL Masih lsa. As you and l agree that because Adam sinned ; so the whole human race sin and becomes corrupted and Satan gained control because the authority God gave to Adam fell into the devil’s hand because or Adam’s disobedience.So the reason Jesus was born as the second Adam , defeated the devil in human form is to prove that God who is ALL KMOWING knew Adam will fall but choose not to interfere but to let Adam makes his decision and the greatest gift of freedom was misused.God has no intention to make human like ‘robots’ or programed to obey HIM, because if HE wanted to, today there will be no sinful man on this earth. So HIS plan B kicked into action and this time HE knows of victory for sure because HE sent HIS only Begotten Son.which the devil tried to kill when the news of His birth was known.So this Jesus in the form of human nature defeated the devil thus restoring back the authority to humans so we won’t be slave to sin again unless we again like Adam choose to sin on purpose. Thus the creation of God is restored to it’s ooriginal plan. The greatest Victory was when the devil thought the again has successfully thwarted GOD’s plan by having JESUS killed ,they end up fufilling GOD’s plan when GOD raised JESUS from the dead and death have no control over the Son of God. So we are sure of eternal life it’s because Jesus rose from the dead and defeated death and promised those who believed in Him this gift of eternal life which is a gift from GOD that no man can ever earn it by any form of religious rituals.
[Thx man, u took ur time to write all this... God bless you..]
you should provide a reference to your statement in the holy Quran (which surah(chapter)etc for our clarification as in debating we demand resource, not just human ramblings to valid your points. And according to your perspective if it’s true why doesn’t Muhammad call Jesus “god” instead of “ones”?
the rest of your points doesn’t came from Jesus PBUH’s mouth himself I believe, but inspired by devils and unsatisfying logic of yours. Sorry to say but they can be concluded like this: John raped Amy. Every members in John’s family were considered as rapers. ..And you still didn’t answer AbuHaanan’s comment on June 10th, 2007 8:43 am. :peace:
[What you mean by inspired by devils ?? I don't get what you're trying to say and juz answered his comment]
aad_lfcfn, l willl begin to refresh your memory about how satan exist. l think you agree with me that according to the Holy Scripture the devil was an angel before he fell.They are created first by GOD before GOD created humans.So when satan fell, he took 1/3 of the angels after he lost the war with GOD and that’s why we have evil spirits on this earth wrecking havocs in peoples’ life.Did you know what? When the devil saw Jesus , they screamed and said ‘Jesus Son Of The Most High God’ why have You come and torments us before our time?You see the devils recognised Him as the Son of God.l don’t know what your Quran said about creation but in the Bible,God said let ‘US’make man according to our image, so surely God is talking to someone of His status. Maybe l can correct the way you try to see the GOD. when you see a candle burning in fact what you see is more than just something burning. You see the ‘flame, the brightness and the heat that this three actually makes the candle complete and more than just a stick of wax.So this three elements in fact make one candle not three and they function as one.So if you understand the ministry of Jesus ,HE never claimed to be seperated from GOD.As you ask me which part of Quran l mentioned about Al Masih lsa, l will provide it to you later when my lndonesian friend e mail me because l knew l cannot invent something of my own to vindicate my claims . And you ask me why l didn’t answer AbuHanaan’s comment on the 10th of June it’s because it’s not something from any Holy Scripture but man made ‘cerita dongeng’ which if used to discuss serious issue about GOD is making fun if GOD and did not in any way show any respect to THE MAHA KUASA. Same advise to you the term ‘SON’ should be interpreted according to mere human terms. No offense,cherrio.
Adam sinned, everybody sinned?
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.(Ezekiel 18:20)
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jeremiah 31:30)
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)
[Bro, its not that way... its the generations sin which follows him.. that is why since birth we are sinfull... And please dont go out of this topic...]
1. “And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man, running up and kneeling before him, asked him: Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting? And Jesus said to him: Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.” (Mark 10:17-18)
Tell me, is Jesus good or Holy Spirit good or God good or all three good? From verses above, Jesus said don’t call him good.
2. “Then Jesus answered and said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you, the Son cannot do any thing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doth, these the Son also doth in like manner.” (John 5:19)
Tell me, why can’t Jesus do any thing by himself? Why is he a part of Holy Trinity if he can’t do anything by himself?
3. Christians believe that God is an Unchanging Being:
“For I am the Lord, and I change not” (Malachi 3:6)
But Jesus changed:
“And Jesus advanced in wisdom and age and grace with God and men.” (Luke 2:52)
Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him), some people hate you so much they wanted to kill you. Some people love you so much they say things that are beyond you. Us Muslims,we stand in the middle, we love and respect you just the way you are, O Prophet of Allah!
[He says god is good and he is God himself.... The Son has his role to play and God has his role to play, therefore God is in control of everything.. What you meant by Jesus changed ?? Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever..thats what he meant.. Since you say you are in the middle, thats why he says back to you... You stay with your believe till you pick a side... then I'll see if i'll come to you...]
1. I don’t get it when a supposedly son of god declines when a man called him good by saying only God is good. It is either: God is good and the son and holy spirit is less good or I am not good because I am not God. Which one?
2. If Jesus really can’t do anything by himself, he must be a subordinate god, a novice god, a trainee god or whatever the terminology is. Plus, here’s another one:
“And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” (Matthew 12:31)
My understanding is that blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven but not blasphemy against holy spirit. So where does Jesus stands now? He appears to be the least of the holy trinity.
3. If Jesus did not changed, there was no infant Jesus. He grew up just like anybody else. He did changed, from an infant to a child to a teenage to an adult. He even grew up in terms of wisdom, according to the bible verse itself, which implicates that his knowledge was improving from time to time.
[He wasnt saying he is bad, he was just explaining that only God is Holy... Jesus can do anything, but he does according to his role... HE knows what he shud do...and the spirit knows what it shud do... And the Jesus himself has the holy spirit, and if anyone go against the spirit, he wil not be forgiven. Boy, you know why I call you that... Its because u r too intelectual and you dont really understand things and take it very literally... Jesus is the same, the spirit in him is the same... That doesnt mean that man reamains an infant since he was born... It didnt mean to his physical aspects.. It says about him and the words and promises he gave...]
[He wasnt saying he is bad, he was just explaining that only God is Holy… Jesus can do anything, but he does according to his role… HE knows what he shud do…and the spirit knows what it shud do… And the Jesus himself has the holy spirit, and if anyone go against the spirit, he wil not be forgiven. Boy, you know why I call you that… Its because u r too intelectual and you dont really understand things and take it very literally… Jesus is the same, the spirit in him is the same… That doesnt mean that man reamains an infant since he was born… It didnt mean to his physical aspects.. It says about him and the words and promises he gave…]
Wow..what kind of God is this.?? I don’t know that your God is so confused..
[Actually my friend. its not God who is so confused... It you who are confused about him... You don't even know what you are talking and you simply say that... I tell you, you have nothing actually...but just fooling around to get some attention...]
You said: He wasnt saying he is bad, he was just explaining that only God is Holy…
1. I ask you again: How many good God left, once Jesus said this:
“Why callest thou me good? None is good but ONE, that is God.”
How much “one” is “one” in Christianity? Is it has the same numerical value as in our daily maths?
2. He explained that only God is holy? Which god he was refering to? Why didn’t he just say, “Thank you very much, I am indeed good”. People worship him day in day out, hoping for salvation and all why don’t just admit that he’s good. How can admitting his own goodness posed such a trouble for Jesus?
Very simple question.
[Remember always that God is always one, its not 3... So there is only one holy God... You need to learn more about trinity... Jesus is always humble... but even than thats not the point why he said that... He said that to show that only God is holy and good.. And HE IS GOD !!]
Abuhanan, l agree with you when you quoted Ezekiel 18.20(The soul that sinneth it shall die….).That is what l try to tell you, the soul ’sin’.That sin is the subject yhat l m trying to discuss here.How it affect the human race and how it enters the world because GOD didn’t mentioned HE created sin,Adam’s downfall caused sin to have it’s influence over the human race. That’s why in Romans 3.23(All have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD)Romans 6.23(For the wages of sin is death BUT the gift of GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus). By sending HIS son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin HE defeated sin in the flesh.(Romans8.3).ln the book of Hebrew 1.4 (HE became greater than the angels as proved by the fact that His name ‘Son Of God’which was given by His Father.For GOD never said to any angel You are My Son’.But GOD said that to Jesus.)Again in Hebrew 1.3 The SON (Jesus)reflects the glogy of GOD and been the very stamp of GOD’s nature. So you can see the Son bears the very ‘nature of GOD. As you can see that GOD first creation are angelic beings. The earth, humans, animals plant are the last of creations.As l said Son has a very diffrent meaning in GOD’s own interpretation. lf you go to the book of lsaiah43.6-7, GOD said; l will bring my sons and daughters from the end of the earth who is called by MY name whom l created for MY glory. many times in the Bible GOD called believers sons and daughters. You have to understand that Jesus grew , transform and not changed (as you claimed) because the virtues ,quality and image of God increased as He grew in accordance to GOD’s timing.He came as a ransom for the human race and not to promote Himself because HE knows HIS mission the Father gave HIM to accomplish and HIS great love for us because GOD IS LOVE.That in HIM we can all understand how great is the love of GOD to us that while we are yet sinners Jesus died for us that we may all be restored to the original status as GOD has desired.Unless you believe you have not sin in your entire life.GOD bless all of us who truly wants to know HIM and to have a personal fellowsip with HIM.
I pretty much agree on what tance had said…It will do us no good attacking each other…
[My friend, this is not attacking each other and this is my view on the Christian side... And yes I'm not gonna discuss bout this anymore]
we know that God is one..but becoming humble, pretending not to be god (according to your perception) to show that god is holy and good is a terrible way of telling something imho. why was it so hard for Jesus to say “I’m a god, follow me” if he’s one (or part of it)? you see..Christian was developed by church and st. paul where as Islam was taught by prophet Muhamammad S.A.W himself through al-quran an hadith. When the base (root) of the Christianity which is trinity can be questioned this far by Muslim or Aethis for its logic, how can the Christians convince us its branches then?
Like this?: We just did what the father/pastors asked us to do so do not question anything like that again.. there’s a salvation that will save us; you forgot already?. People in church are 100% correct and they are humans that can’t do even a single mistake, dun worry la. Eventhough Jesus never tell us to perform such prayer (mass, which was introduced by Early Church, not Jesus), the previous people who practised it must be right la I think…not inspired by devil, desire or anything..God will be pleased.
.If Jesus always use unexpected/smart approach to say something according to your previous reply, then the religion is not suitable to every human, ain’t it? I remember that you had always stated that you could not grasp the meaning of certain comment posted in this blog. But ironically, you are still capable of explaining us what Jesus really meant in “his words” in Bible after claiming that they are not said directly but in a smart way.
Explain this intelectually: The whole idea of the Sun not being at the centre of the solar system by the Catholic Church that nearly got Galileo executed is blasphemous.
And tell me who teach Muhammad the things below? (Don’t say that Muhammad learnt it school or was being taught by Devil, as he can’t read and didn’t enter formal education during that time and devils should not promote good deeds after all)
The Qur’an says the universe is expanding. The galaxies and stars are moving away from each other. (51:47)
The Earth has different coloured layers that provide us a geologic timeline of our planet’s history. (35:27-28, 76:1-2)
Allah created a protective canopy over the Earth that we call the ozone layer. It is a constantly shielding out harmful ultra-violet radiation. (2:22, 21:32, 31:32, 40:64, 79:28)
Allah spread the Earth out and caused the crust to form a carpet over the planet surface for us. Then He created mountains in the Earth like “tent pegs” to keep it from being unstable (the formation of mountains act as a kin of “brake” or buffer zone between the tectonic plates, which make up the Earth’s crust) (71:19-20, 88: 19-20, 78:6-7)
[Do you think Satan is stupid ?? And when was the Quran given to Muhammad ?? Its about 600 A.D right ?? Satan is intelectual too... He knows a lots of things as well... And please.. I'm quite reluctant to reply comments in this post anymore, so please give comments according to this post and not out of topic... Thank you...]
[Actually my friend. its not God who is so confused… It you who are confused about him… You don’t even know what you are talking and you simply say that… I tell you, you have nothing actually…but just fooling around to get some attention…]
It is just my point of view that..with your statement about your own God..that your God is confused. Sekejap macam ni sekejap macam tu.
(you have nothing actually…but just fooling around to get some attention…]
Tak de lah bro. Tak kan bagi opinion pun tak boleh? Lagipun I rasa you yang syok sendiri bagi macam-macam opinion pasal Islam yang you tak tau apa-apapun. Kemudian nak compare dengan your religion…?!!
(Boy, you know why I call you that… Its because u r too intelectual and you dont really understand things and take it very literally…)
See.. bila somebody put up a strong argument…you just dismissed them as too intelectual. Macam tu juga bila somebody hurt you badly because of statement like ‘your God is confused,’ you will dismissed them as attention seeker. Be rational lah Bro…!!
[Firdaus, I just hate answering all ur stupid comments, I'm really sry I got no time for u...]
[Firdaus, I just hate answering all ur stupid comments, I’m really sry I got no time for u…]
Ok…Cheerio Bro.
It’s pitiful really, when somebody gave an argument using Al-Quran, suddenly Satan is strong, intellect, intelligent, gifted etc etc. I have had enough with you associating my faith with Satan. At least I tried to learn Christianity and the fundamental belief of it. It’s not much of a learning process though, but at least I tried. As I quoted the bible, you quoted yourself. I tried to have a grasp on what Trinity is all about, but then I only figure that maybe this is what they do before they discover paracetamol. I am thankful to Allah for His Guidance, and for this short chapter in Al-Quran that saved Muslims plenty of time in order to understand what actually they are submitting themselves to:
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
[I'm sry bro... I have SPM this year... So not much time to reply... Sry ]
I’ll come back in December, to show you more about the bible content. Good luck with your SPM.
[OK thx fren... You are an understanding person...]
abuhanaan,
Good work man. Allahuakbar. Semoga Allah memberkati saudara.
[Yea yea...]
abuhanaan, just to keep to my word l promised to get to you once my friend e-mail me from lndonesia. The verse l meant was in Surah Ali lmran 3 ayat 45.Malaikat berkata;Ya, Maryam, sessunguhnya Allah itu memberi khabar sukacita kepadomu.Maryam dengan Firman yang dari Allah,Firman itu bernama Al Masih lsa ibunu Maryam, yang berkuasa didunia dan di akhirat dan yang paling dekat dengan Allah. Jesus in Quran is also reffered to Kalimatullah Allah( The Word Of God)So in the Bible in the gospel of John 1.1. ln the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. So God and His word cannot be seperated as They are ONE. ln Sura al-Ma’ida 5.68 it says; Say O people of the Book!You will be nothing unless you uphold the Torah and the Gospel(Bible), and all that is revealed to you from your Lord. So when you mentioned that God is One all l definitely agree with you just that we differed in the term ONE as l believe the word ONE is in accordance with GOD’s intended meaning. Also in Sura al-Nisa 4.171 it says; Truly Jesus Christ the son of Maryam is the Amsassador of God and His Word when He threw into Maryam and (He is) the spirit of Him. l m sure you know in the Quran it mentioned Jesus will come and be the ultimate Judge to judge all human in the akhirat. so it makes sense to say it needs someone who have the attributes of God to be able to judge humans who is created by GOD. l hope you understand that we are exchanging informations about our belief in God and in no way trying to underemine each others faith. lt has been a pleasure knowing you through this blog as you proved to be a gentelman in using words with respect and well manered as l came across people who uses degrading and ill manered words that lacks culture.All l can say is you are a Muslim that practices the teaching of your Quran. God Bless.
@the truth is…: language is the border and i think you realized that if ya live in Malaysia. Since this post was posted in English, I have no choice rather than posting comment using the language to held respect for the owner. And if you all think that my words are mean, then I’m really sorry. I think my writing will be better expressed in BM. Hope you got the idea of what I’ve posted. I’m trying to improve my writing bro..
and by the way: as far as I know, in Islam gospel means “injil” while bible is another thing. We believe in Gospel (injil) but not bible.
To adwraj: good luck for your spm examination. My turn is next year,..haha! to abuhanaan: Jazakallah khairan. We certainly need more Malaysians like you to be active in the internet to spread ‘the real Islam’. Thanks. God knows best!
since you claim satan was the one that introduced polygamy
lets look at this from a christian view, as Moses himself practice polygamy
The holy prophet Moses was the meekest man “above all the men which were upon the face of the earth” (at his time). (Numbers 12:3.)
The Spirit of God was upon Moses. (Numbers 11:17.)
And Moses had two wives.
1) Zipporah: Exodus 2:15-16,21 and Exodus 18:1-6
2) Ethiopian woman: Numbers 12:1(-15)
Zipporah was not the “Ethiopian woman” herself. Zipporah was of the tribe of Midian. Genesis 25:1-3 shows that Midian was one of the six sons born unto Abraham by his third wife, Keturah. Thus, Zipporah was “Abrahamic”, who was “Shemitic” (i.e., descended of Noah’s son Shem, per Genesis 10:1; 11:11-27). But the “Ethiopian woman” (”Cushite woman” in the Hebrew) descended of Cush, who was “Hamitic” (i.e., descended of Noah’s son Ham, per Genesis 10:1,6). Indeed, Zipporah, being of Noah’s son, Shem, could not be the “Ethiopian woman” who was of Ham (Shem’s brother).
Also, the timing of Moses’ marriage to the Ethiopian woman can be determined by Numbers 33:1-49,17 and 11:35 with 12:16 which “surrounds” the story about Moses marrying the Ethiopian woman in Numbers 12:1-15. This is clearly much later than the time when Moses married Zipporah in Exodus 2:15,22.
Therefore, the Shemitic/Abrahamic Midianitess Zipporah could not possibly be the Hamitic/non-Abrahamic “Ethiopian woman”.
For anyone who would attempt to assert that “Zipporah was dead” by the time that Moses married the Ethiopian woman, they are the ones who have the “burden of proof” to demonstrate and validate their assertion.
After all, the principle of “assumed status quo” logic mandates that, unless otherwise specifically reported otherwise, one must believe that the status quo remains. For example, as long as a man’s wife is still alive, he does not walk around reporting that she is still alive! People naturally accept the “status quo” remains (i.e., that she is still alive) until otherwise reported. It is only when there is a reported change to the status quo that one then accepts the change. But until such a change is reported, logic “assumes the status quo” remains.
As such, the “burden of proof” in the assertion about Zipporah is upon those who would assert that Moses supposedly married the Ethiopian woman after “Zipporah had (supposedly) died”. Conversely, those who logically believe otherwise have no such “burden of proof” at all.
The absolutely undeniable fact is that there is not one single verse in the Bible to substantiate such an assertion that “Zipporah (supposedly) had died”. As such, the argument wholly fails exegetically to prove itself.
As such, it is wholly logical to simply and reasonably “assume the status quo” remains, believing that Zipporah was, of course, alive too when Moses married the Ethiopian woman.
[When was Moses time... Moses was before the law... He only received the law after that... And other prophets who practise polygamy is considered sinful... Check out David and Soloman's story... And I'm not interested in debating anymore because I got not much time to answer all these... I'll be back on December for this kinda issue... For now I'll just be posting as usual...]
hi there..a little note to my statememt….
people have different intepretations for the word gospel. most people tends to use wikipedia to find definition of a word that I decided to use this version term of ‘gospel’ in my previous post. look here;
The Injil (the Arabic word for the Christian Gospels, from the Greek evangel) is, according to Islam, one of the three holy books revealed by Allah prior to the Qur’an - the others being the Zabur (Psalms) and the Tawrat (Torah). Together, these four books make up the revealed books of Islam.
In Christianity, the term gospel can be used to mean different things, including:
to denote the proclamation of God’s saving activity in Jesus of Nazareth, or to denote the agape message proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth: this is the original New Testament usage (for example Mark 1:14-15 or 1 Corinthians 15:1-9; see also Strong’s G2098);
more popularly, the four canonical Gospels, which are attributed to the Four Evangelists: (Gospel of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke and Gospel of John): the term “a reading from the Gospel” can refer to any of the 4 books;
other non-canonical works of antiquity that purport to quote Jesus (e.g., Gospel of Thomas);
a genre of Early Christian literature (cf. Peter Stuhlmacher, ed., Das Evangelium und die Evangelien, Tübingen 1983, also in English: The Gospel and the Gospels).
some christian people i met stated this though: injil=gospel..
so I hope no one will not be confused with my previous post..in a simple way, what I’m trying to say is we as a muslim believe the four holy books (torrah, zabur, etc)..but we do not believe the corrupted versions (as stated in our relegion) thank you..
I’ve read a lot of your transcript, wateva u’ve write… I felt you’re too offensive mostly in Islam….
you didn’t criticize hinduism, buddhism, judaism etc…
but you did it to ISLAM….
but that’s ur rights (hak kebebasan utk menulis)…
I’ve to & I must respect it…
May I asked you questions…
do you have a muslim closed friend (I mean in your real life, not in internet life)
for your info, I’ve indian best friend, and he not “suka2″ say to my religion…and of course he is a christian…
I’m not marah kat you, but I wonder….you’re so daring
1st time I read your transcript, regarding lina joy…
I agreed…
but now when I read this topics, I shocked!!!!!
I’ve “tercabar” and for sure I will create a blog (might be Dec 2008)which is compare your religion against Islam….
I will show the truth….
and you are very welcome to comment wat eva you want…
[I'm sorry if I've hurt you by this post. I really apologize for it. And I have close Muslim friend's and we do talk about religions all the time. Its just in my point of view of I felt about this topic. Please do not take me wrongly. If it really offense you and you want me to take it out, I will take this topic out. I dun wanna hurt anyone and I respect you guys and also love you'll.
Why do you feel tercabar, I see that most of the Muslim's always want a debate if they see sumthing against them.]