May 30
MALAYSIA !! A PIECE OF JUNK !!! CHICKENS !!!
I was juz alerted by the case of Lina Joy. This country is a useless country.
I wouldn’t talk bad bout this country but now I juz did.
This is an outcome of their own bloody mentality.
Its a so called multi racial country and you are free to pick your religion. But they couldn’t even approve one. Wanna know why ?? This country is a ‘takut kalah’ country… If Lina Joy wins the case.. Thats it.. Quite a number of Muslims would pick to convert to some other religion.
This country are just chickening out and cannot accept the truth. I know a case before this where a Muslim converted to a Christian. Those imam and some leaders keep visiting the boy and take him to some room trying to brainwash him. They tried and tried and tried, too bad… Finally he became a mentally ill person. Pity that fellow..
Lina Joy was brave enough. Religion got nothing to interfere with human rights. She has two eyes, one nose, one mouth, and her own interest to pick her religion just like everyone else no matter what religion she was previously. She wanted to change because she knew the truth. But these bloody fellows wouldn’t even allow her to change her religion even in her identity card. How ridiculous ??
MALAYSIA !! DON”T CHICKEN OUT !!
AND THEN GO OUT SAYING WE ARE MULTI RACIAL COUNTRY !!!
I would say this is a multi tricking country !!
They have all the tricks to make themself right..
Go read up more in Malaysiakini
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http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/67914
Please comment on this topic. Because I would like to know what is other’s opinion.
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Well, I am very dissapointed with the decision but I think your right. Not only because allot of Muslims will change, but because ALLOT more may turn voilent and revolt. She is very brave, and no matter what they call her on her MyKad, she will never be a muslim, because her heart is not there.
[Yes, and we all should pray for her and for THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY TO CHANGE]
i think this is a stupid decision, so now what? aren’t the muslim supposed to stone the girl to death by now? they can’t do that coz this is a secular nation, they can’t do shit about it as well…
i think this is a really bad way to try to promote Islam as a peaceful,tolerance religion an etc…they thought they won the battle, but they have lost the war…now i wanna see who dare to convert to muslim suka2…LOL
Islam Hadhari? LOL
[Haha yea..who would wanna cconvert to Islam.. They teach in schools that Islam was spread out by the good deeds of the believers, and the others saw that they are good and 'accepted it with their hearts'.. What a lie ?? They just have to go in the hard way. They will know the truth one day. Jesus lives..]
I want to understand from your thought process whether its alright to switch religion.
Furthermore is there a situation where a family unit consist of father (christian) , Mother (Buddhist), first child (Muslim), First Child Husband (Hindu) and grandson (free thinker) now in the world?
Is this acceptable to the new world thinking?
This question is raise for the purpose of identifying the logic used by people with the understanding the significance of religion. (All religion in the world)
[Yes it is, that is individual point of view. If the father is Islam, how did he know Islam ?? Of course a long time ago the father or his grandfather accepted Islam rite ?? In that same way, Lina Joy found the truth and the way, so she wants her generation to trust the truth she knew... Government or the law has no rights on this... Its hers...]
You guys never read properly. Only knows how to over-react and have cowherd mentality.
This case is not about cannot change religion. It is about the NRD can change the religion title in your IC/Mykad.
Maybe today this year she posts Christianity. Next year she post Satanism. Next year she can write Judaism. Maybe every week she can change religion mar..
I have met malays/muslims who has changed religion. No big deal mah? It is about whether we can simply change the religion title on the card. I read the whole transcript of the court proceeding and judgement. It is not about Lina Joy can change or not change the religion. She was trying to change the title in the card on her own! Now she needs to get the Syariah court to approve. Whats the big deal, just go to the Syariah court and file in lar. Remember the Baba lady Nyonya Tahir case. She had a muslim/ malay name but not even practising. The syariah court did a simple settlment she was to be buried as a non muslim. Finish story lar. The problem is Lina Joy arrogant girl. Married a mat salleh think that she can bypass the judicial system? Go write in the Syariah court lar. If i was the judge i give her a whck in the butt for stirring up chaos in malaysia just to prove her point.
Same case in Moorthy. The arrogant family didnt want to show up in court just to prove a point. End of the day the court give judgement without their testimony and they started bitching and stir shit up.
Shit my IC says i am CHinese. I want to change to Indian. Maybe caucasian? Can arr? Isn’t it my right? Cause my grandma has a bit of white blood in her?
Read first lar before overreacting. Goes to all of you.
[Haha bro, I dun simply post like that... You think I like to put myself in all this... You are reading Malaysian news and stuff... I go all over... All this NRC thing is bullshit... Its juz a government trick... Do you noe that there are a lot of Muslims who wants to convert to Christian in their IC... And do you ever noe why government is not allowing it... Its because, then the percentage of Christians will increase and percentage of Islam will decrease... And this is changin religion, not changin races... Religion is our rights and races is depends on your generation. ]
This decision will only harden non-moslems position towards islam, i.e. non-tolerant, unforgiving, and a hypocritical religion (don’t walk the talk) at best.
All i can say is “Lina, please go to a western country with your husband, and declared that you need political amnesty!” From this act, you might be able to do something for yourself, and those who are / will be following your footsteps.
You’ve got your facts wrong. I have to agree with Jimmy K. Sadly, the majority are as ignorant as you.
[Oo, maybe sum places I dont noe the whole thing, but I really was into this case..and really find out what really happened...and its no big deal changin the religion in IC...even if its too many times... I'm sorry..]
Dei matcha, kalau tak suka tinggal sini balik India la!
[Hello kawan, kalau saya balik India, lu pun balik Indonesia la...]
Our country is a very special place governed by whole bunch of rediculous people.As a buddhist,I do not have to registered myself as a buddhist.But if you want to be a muslim,you have to do it and the authority is very happy about it.I can’t understand,what so great about embracing certain religion.Religion is a way of life and there is no “the only way”.Can you force someone to smoke Dunhill and claim it is the only cigarette for the whole world.
Grow up a bit -lah.Lina Joy should be given the religion she wanted.
[Yea, and the government must change the IC details if the individual requests so]
Dei matcha…Sapa kata ini Malaysia democratic country? Pirahhhh. Ini country orang Islam punya. Matcha tarak suka, matcha buleh keluar lah. He he.
[Haha, country orang Islam. Banyak cantik... Sejak bila..??, saya orang Malaysia tau, sama macam lu.. Saya pun ada hak. Dan saya suka negara ini, sebab itu saya nak membuat baik untuk negara ni.
The Federal Court did not rule that she must remain a Muslim. It ruled that she cannot drop the word “Islam” from her IC.
Her faith is in her heart, and no court or law can change that.
from Aisehman at http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/05/shes_azlina_jailani_not_lina_j.php#more
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Amen to that Bro!
[Yea, thats a prob for her too... The government is worried about the statistics which will change if Lina Joy wins the case. And by the Hamzah, wuts ur religion ? ]
You guys talk talk only. Empty headed. I agree with Jimmy K. File your case in syariah court then. That woman is damn stupid. If she’s find it susah here then belah to hubby’s country. Once there what’s the use of M’sian IC. Be a christian all you can.
[Bro, the woman is not stupid. I've met people involved in this case. Its juz the government who closes everything in our eyes... And change the whole case... Juz think, why shud she be going to syariah court.. Because the syariah will follow the Islamic laws... Not the real human laws... Thats the trick.. Dun trust Malaysian news...]
Good!!!!! You guys should be happy not sad. The federal courts have finally shown Non Muslims that they are IRRELEVENT in this country.
What more proof do you need? This is a dark day for Malaysia but at least the NON MUSLIMS know where they stand. No my crying from the NON MUSLIMS. They were warned.
Peliklaa…kat western country they choosed Islam as their religion…But here…diff..pelik..
Tak kisah Lina Joy..nak masuk Kristian ka…Tapi..kat US /Eropah…beribu orang tunggu masuk Islam.
Islam tak salah, pengikutnya yang salah….
[Ya, betul.. Islam tak salah... Cuma pengikutnya over over...]
Buat baik. Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirahhh tambi.
The truth is they can do anything to her BUT cannot take away her FAITH in JESUS which is in her heart. Religion doesn’t save a person or guarantee them a place in heaven because GOD knew that human will used it to further their own personal selfish and evil agenda. Uniess one is sure wether one is serving GOD or religion he or she is living in self-deception.But to Lina Joy, let your life be a living testimony that may open the hearts of many to know the JOY that JESUS promised is in your heart that no man and govt can take away.
[Yes, faith is always there... Jesus is always with Lina joy, and he knows the best for her]
Wei India mari,
Don’t simply look down on other religion if u don’t understand shit. Islamic laws not the real human laws? Poodah cit indian! Islamic laws are based on Quran which all muslims believe in and they words from our God and Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. Don’t simply insult other religion when your Hindu ancestors once ruled that a wife must be burned to death when the husband dies. Hahaha…and you think you indians are better. Take a mirror and look at yourself man. Once again, don’t simply insult other religion, especially ISLAM.
[Too bad, I'm a christian man... I didnt look down.. Wut I meant was Syariah uses Islamic laws and not the normal laws... Get it... I'm saying that, thats your religion law... Nothing to do with another person with another religion. Juz don't interfere with other faiths... Thats it... Sorry if it sounded like an insult..k..]
I believe the Malaysian public hasn’t matured enough to deal with religion. Religion is the between the person and GOD and has got nothing to do with anyone else. Lina, I simphatise with you. I am also married to a Malay woman who has renounced Islam in a Civil Court. We were married in a Civil Registry. We have three children with MYkad which says they are Hindus. My wife is yet to get her Mykad because someone in the NRD had put down her religion as Islam in the old IC (before Mykad). Isn’t this a joke?
I think it is about time our so called leaders got together and come out with a solution. You can’t just force people to accept this kind of stuff.
[OK nice.. We have an experienced person here... But our government won't really care bout this much.. They are more towards their religion]
Tambi
why not u advice ur bro sammy value to reduce tol then u talk rubbish here . At least people will thank you for that .
[Haha, thats not my prob... And he's not my bro. This is not rubbish... This is what the government is doing just to cover Islam percentage]
True enough. Islam tak salah. Kalau mereka tau apa itu Islam, tentulah mereka tidak memusuhi kita.
Islam itu Ad-din. Sebab itu di dalam A-Quran dan Al-Hadith sarat dengan hukum hakam mengenai kehidupan.
Islam larang kita rasuah tapi UMNO dan pemimpinnya rasuah. Islam larang kita bunuh orang, tapi Altantuya bukan saja dibunuh malah diletupkan dengan C4. Islam larang kita makan riba tapi orang Islam makan riba. Islam haramkan judi tapi ada orang Islam jadi chairman syarikat judi. Islam haramkan zina, berapa ramai orang Islam sewa GRO?
Pendek kata Islam suruh kita buat benda-benda baik belaka tapi umat Islam buat benda-benda jahat belaka.
Dan what is great about Islam ialah, kita tak pernah paksa sesiapa masuk Islam. Tetapi ingat, jika tuan-tuan dah masuk Islam, Islam ada undang-undangnya. Tuan-tuan tidak boleh suka-suka masuk Islam dan kemudian suka-suka nak keluar Islam. Kena ada disiplin lah bro.
[Memang ada disiplin, ini kerana individu tersebut merasakan bahawa agama Kristian benar(pendapat dia). Dia telah dilahirkan sebagai individu Islam tetapi dia ingin bertukar agama. Kerajaan tak boleh menghalang sesiapa daripada kebebasan dirinya. Betul tak ??]
tambi same race = brother’s lah .
[Kalau macam it, kamu dengan Azlina brother and sisters la...]
‘Dei matcha…Sapa kata ini Malaysia democratic country? Pirahhhh. Ini country orang Islam punya. Matcha tarak suka, matcha buleh keluar lah. He he.’
look how malaysian Islam ppl treat and think about other religion.
Talk ony banyak agama bersatu padu crap stuff
u can convert from Islam to other religion but Ic cannot change. Wat crap!
[Yea, its juz a bullshit. Their juz tryin to cover up. The statistics will change a lot if they allow this case]
kalau zalina is islam she is saudara seislam . but since dia dah bukan islam , pe mampuslah dia . she will meet u in hell later .
[Haha, fren. Relax and dun get angry. If she's not Islam, y don't you and your Islamic government juz let her change her details in her IC... Settle kan... And I think your statement is wrong... Please do not judge anyone. We don't know who is going to hell or heaven... How are you gonna give a gud example as an Islam if you go around telling you are going to go to hell..]
Hey guys, I just told you about problems faced by Malaysians because of religion. If you all think one religion is better than another, I suggest you think again. Perhaps you should visit the website called “Faith Freedom International” to know the the truth about religion and the Holy book. Then maybe you won’t make so much of noise about religion. Care to take up the challenge?
[Ok cool, the site is not bad]
Whatever the decision of the FC, it is only form over substance which Malaysia is always capable and proud of. It will not change a wee bit of the faith of Lina Joy, in fact it will fortify her faith in Christianity. This is a form of persecution and will only increase her faith in God. It is a false assurance to the Muslim to think that she is still a Muslim when in fact she is not.
The question for us to ponder is that there is no such regulation for the NRD to refuse the change of religion in the Mykad but with the FC decision, it becomes law for any applicant (ex-Muslim) to get Syariah court to sanction such a change. Should the FC impute law when there is none, especially when the liberty of a person is in question. The Court is supposed to be the protector and guardian and not the persecutor of the people it is suppose to protect. Is it ridiculous when one is no longer a Muslim but is required to get relief from such tribunal. Again, form over substance.
Sometimes I wonder what is the relevance of the FC decision in Lina Joy’s life (except perhaps her marriage where they can still conduct it elsewhere like Thailand/s’pore) when faith is very personal and has nothing to do with the State. It is no point legalizing one’s faith when it touches the very heart of a person. God does not see a person’s outward appearance but his/her heart. That’s the beauty of our Almighty. I hope the FC is not playing god or trying to please man for the day of reckoning will surely come .
[Yea the FC suppose to protect human right, but too bad all inside it are sum Islam people who is worried about the public. And yes, the day will come. And then they will know the truth. Jesus lives]
Again you are so prejudicial. You post calling this country useless. Did you read the court transcript? Yes? No? What was the dissenting argument about? That she cannot remain a Muslim? Yes? No?
THE COURT DIDNT SAY SHE IS A MUSLIM OR MUST REMAIN A MUSLIM. Only on her IC cause NRD have no power to change religion status.
If you want to read more than that, i suggest you setup a Grand Islamic Conspiracy Theory that they are here to takeover the world and Malaysia is the first country. (If the Muslims can ever get stop fighting and agree on anything LOL)
The Federal Court is talking about NRD. Lina just need to go to Syariah court and get her certs. Just like Nyonya Tahir lar. Thats all. But She chosed to prove her point with backups like your types.
Dont believe me go to Wikipedia the link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyonya_Tahir
You said she smart.. (Not). Now sudah kalah.. stay diam diam like Anwar Ibrahim after Ijok.. lol
Plus if you think Christianity is spreading all over (as you feeble mind believe) read about world religion statistics. By 2080 Islam will bypass Christianity of the world population will become islamic due to higher birthrate and downfall of birthrates in North American/European nation (due to family planning & high number of abortions) and profilic birth rate of third world nations.
At a level of 1.2 billion, [in1999] Muslims represent between 19.2% and 22% of the world’s population. It has become the second largest religion in the world. Christianity has slightly less than 30%.
Islam is growing about 2.9% per year which is faster than the total world population which increases at about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world’s population.
Btw the amount of Muslims wanting to leave (on current Application processed to Syariah Court) is estimate at 30,000 (this to ratified by a friend- we’ll see). I bet u there are more Banglas coming into this country than mass muslim conversion exodus! So dont come up with general bull. I read through that.
I sympathize, you have the same strand of ego and arrogance that let Lina Joy ended in court not favourable against her. She is already married to a non-muslim so that certificate and other evidence (lifestyle) itself is ample evidence to get her non-muslim cert. But she didnt want to do that, she chose to prove her point (whatever that is) just like you do.
You seem to write that you are progressive but yet carry the prejudices that will stop this country moving forward. Anyhow I totally respect you for your closed mind. We need more like you here so this country can go down the drain.
I give you a towering non-muslim Malay personality who gets the utmost respect from everyone.
Idris Jala. Muslim name, yet.. he is a Christian. No one seem to bother asking him to convert eh?
I also posted on JeffOoi.com. See who thinks straight and who thinks emotionally. Choose your sides, no, we not talking about the religion. And stop insulting religion lar.. seem Islam is a fair game. I have not seen malaysian muslims writing post to insult Christianity. If you can find me one, please provide me the link.
[Bro, yes I noe its about the IC statement and not the religion. But the government juz don't want the statistics to change too much. The news here is a total mess... You must get people inside to know all this. And I never insulted another religion. Plesase quote where ? Islam is a normal religion and I didnt say anything bad against it. And please check menj.org for your gud info about Muslims critisizing Christians and visit all his mates too...k...]
tambi .
remember sg besi smart h/way . make sure no tol k . samy have enough of money . money = evil .
[K, hehe... Yea he has too much money... not 'enough' of money...]
l agree that lslam is a good religion BUT the Malaysian version of lslam is doing the religion a diservice as the govt used it as a manipulation to stay in power and to control people who never have the courage to question why they are not free to choose their religion. WE have Arabs christians, and lslam originated from the Arabs countries but they can lived together in peace.The response of the few muslims bloggers save afew can only be seen as agressive and proves that they don’t practise what has been taught by their religion. lf they think they are trying to defend GOD, then it’s a pity as a living GOD can defends Himself and don’t need any human to save HIM much more those uncultered words hurled against a fellow human which is also HIS creation.
[Yea, maybe the Islam version here... But there are good ones too]
WE have Arabs christians, and lslam originated from the Arabs countries but they can lived together in peace.
Are you telling us that we are not living in peace here, in Malaysia?
[Yes, we are living in a fake 'peace'.. Its juz the chinese and indian race are not like the fighting kind... It would be better if there is equal rights for everything and for everyone]
Then Delhi or may be Beijing will be a better place for you guys. No need to fake ‘peace’ and your soul will rest in peace. Cheerio.
[Hey bro, its good for you here because you are given every rights and privilages. Thats why u r in peace... But its not the same for us. Don't forget, we are like you too... No difference... I am a Malaysian and shud get the same rights you get..]
air asia flying to india soon friend . u need one way ticket ? u can go with tony too .
[No thank you, I am a Malaysian and I wish to serve the country and tell the country if its doing sumthing wrong]
I said find me an insult. I checked the site its a Pro-Lina Joy case. I went to see his books, he provide links to his research. Where is the insult? Commentaries are not insult.
You can see your site and even the other public sites all attacking Islam and Muslims in general althought its the Federal Court conclusion.End Argument.
Stop saying we living in Fake peace. What do you mean Fake? You mean that Indians and Chinese are ready to fight street battles? Is that what you are promoting? You are Low class!
You are inciting hate and fight my friend. I have a bunch of Indians friends too.. is in the genes that they always inciting to fight.. especially after we ended up the nite with a few bottles. I tell you i have lots of stories (some really funny and scary) of us being chased by drunk indians (yeahh mostly to my indian buddy loose lips.. err we were probably very drunk too hehehe).
[I mean you see all fights and stuffs in other countries rite... They don't like, they juz fight... But in Malaysia its not like that right ?? Not all Indians are like that.. But I agree with you bout that indians... And I'm sorry if i'm inciting hate and fight... I didnt mean too.. It was my opinion... Sry]
Capital punishment for apostasy turns into a means of overpowering and subjugation when used against Muslims themselves whenever they turn away from Islam. They did not choose to be born Muslims! I believe it was this conflict that prompted a writer like Muhammad Emaara to emphasise in his book, The Invasion of Thought – Fantasy or Fact? that Islam allows its adherents to turn away from it! “As long as the sceptic has searched as far as he is able,” says Doctor Emaara, “but has not found his long-desired objective in Islam, then he is under no compulsion to believe in it.” The Muslim’s right to turn away from his religion, he says, has been secured by two rules: “No compulsion is there in religion” (Sura al-Baqara 2:256), and “God charges no soul save to its capacity” (Sura al-Baqara 2:286). Moreover he is to be treated on earth in the same way as those who are fully Muslim. As for his judgement in the afterlife, it is a matter entrusted to God’s own hands, and there are Muslim theologians who believe that, in keeping with the view that “God charges no soul save to its capacity,” such people will indeed escape punishment.
it is unfortunate that you don’t like the out come of this events. and the outcry for having full democracy is deafening…even having a multi-racial country where multi-racial religion is likewise practiced, but in the existing society that you have islam unfortunately is the dominant religion…and that has a big impact on what the minority is asking for…. there for change is unaceptable…just be thankful that you belong to a country where the dominant religion allows you to practice freely your respective religions and your forms of worship
and yes i strongly agree with you when you said that…Islam is scared to allow the change of status of Lina…because it sure will become a precedent and the breakdown to islam’s dominance….
ps; i see that your site has gotten the attention and has been graced by the visit of menj1980 himself.
[Ok.. Yea I saw that too...]
Unfortunately many people do not realise that in Malaysia your IC dictate who you are & how people/gov’t will deal with you. A few points to ponder:
a) Did Lina Joy not submit to Syariah Court to change her religious denomination because it’s forgone conclusion that this will not be allowed?
b) When Lina Joy’s IC state that she’s a moslem, then:
- Is her marriage to a christian legalised? Or that she
now needs to get a divorce?
- Her whole existence/life is now dictated by syariah
law, i.e. property/inheritance/lifestyle/burial
rights. Even simple act like eating during puasa
time.
By the way, the only dissenting vote in the federal court is a non-moslem.
[Good one bro, you got the main point, thats the thing... the IC makes the whole big difference... And she has no freedom now]
[Hey bro, its good for you here because you are given every rights and privilages. Thats why u r in peace… But its not the same for us. Don’t forget, we are like you too… No difference… I am a Malaysian and shud get the same rights you get..]
What is your rights? To practice as a Christian? You are talking about Christianity rights? How about Islamic rights? Did we stop you from going to Church any time or any days? Have we ever prevent you from celebrating Christmas?
Even British know and recognised this is a Muslim country. That is the reason when they agreed to declare the independence of Persekutuan Tanah Melayu or Malaya at that time, Islam had a special mention in the Perlembagaan Persekutuan.
Ingat-ingatlah sikit asal usul anda sebelum cakap pasal your rights. Ingat-ingat juga sacrifice orang-orang melayu terhadap kaum-kaum lain. Jangan main sedap cakap saja bro.
[Hello bang, if I am from India, then do remember that your are from Indonesia. If I ever convert to Islam, i get every rights you get... Does that mean that this is my land.. ?? No !! Same goes to you... Perlembagaan Persekutuan does state that Islam is the main religion but it does not state that this is an ISLAM country..]
Hello bang, if I am from India, then do remember that your are from Indonesia.
Indonesia? What Indonesia have to do with me? You are a joke bro.
From an estate worker and consider as a pariah’s caste by your own race, to be given a country, can live peacefully (even if you consider it as a fake ‘peace’ or whatever) and practice whatever religion in this Muslim country, you have to be grateful to us bro.
[Gratefull to whom ?? To you.. Don't say its a joke.. Its fact which is covered.. Your generation most probably from Indonesia but since you are Islam, you are given the title Bumiputera.. I have a fren of mine..who's grandfather is Chinese...and his whole family looks like chinese... But since he kahwin orang Islam, now he is so called 'BUMIPUTERA'. And dun say its your country, its NOT !!! You are one of us too... Maybe the orang asli here is the real bumiputera'. And bro, this is not a Muslim country. Prove to me its a Muslim country, and dun show me some fellow claiming this is a Muslim country...]
And dun say its your country, its NOT !!! You are one of us too…
No no no. I am not one of you. Never. He he.
[Haha, its juz you dun realise because you are given every rights to perasan as a bumiputera here. Even some of our ministers are not originated from here]
Maybe the orang asli here is the real bumiputera’
Orang asli being orang asli is part of bumiputera. no doubt about it.
But Indian to be recognised as a bumiputera….You are dreaming bro.
[Man, you're talking without a fact on your head... 'orang asli is part of bumiputera'. Go and check the dictionary what does bumiputera means... Its does not mean 'orang yang masuk ke negara bersebelahan tetapi mempunyai agama yang sama'. You are not from here !!! Its juz your colour and your religion is same with those living here...]
i read all the comments so far…some were good,most were rubbish.OK lets go back to the fundamentals our rukun negara states “kepercayaan kepada tuhan’ as the FIRST element,this simply means to be a citizen of malaysia you HAVE to believe in God.Article 11-Freedom Of Religion in our constitution refers CLEARLY to the right of each individual above the age of 18 to profess his/her own faith.I mean “PROFESS” as in this person has the right to let everyone know about his/her religion.Article 11 also states that one has the right to convert,this is rather misleading in the situation now,this would never happen if article 11 states”YOU CAN CONVERT TO ANY RELIGION PREFERABLY ISLAM BUT IF YOU’RE ISLAM ERR… TRY NOT…WAIT WAIT…ERR DON’T YOU DARE CONVERT” if it states that then LINA has no case la…simple as that….coming to the subject of Mykad…if you have the right to profess you faith(notice i used the word profess) why on heaven and earth should you put someone else’s religion as your IDENTIFICATION…thats a lie…so if LINA’s Mykad says she is Islam she should be charged in court…here…its the exact opposite…the goverment is making her LIE about her basic rights that is RELIGION
[I guess the total synopsis is here... and you're right. Who would want to put someone else religion on their IC]
Go and check the dictionary what does bumiputera means…
Which dictionary? Tamil English? He he.
[MALAY !! Stop playing the fool. You wanna talk fact lets talk.. Don't fool around, I got no time for all this.. and I don't wish to argue on sumthing out of this topic]
MALAYSIA !! A PIECE OF JUNK !!! CHICKENS !!!
This is the real topic. If “Malaysia is a piece of junk!!!Chickens!!!” as you said, I think India is the better place for you. Maybe you can say’ INDIA MY HEAVEN!!!COW!!!
[Hmm... there is reason for why I said that.. If India is for me, then Indonesia is for you...]
hey ADWRAJ..dun take the firdaus fella seriously..
he’s just bengang that ur right and he’s talking rubbish.
and it’s very clear.
n firdaus, if you can’t argue, then shut up !
why do you want to expose your stupidity which I think came from your ancestors.
[Haha, you went straight to the point. But nvm we shudn't be like them, dun be so harsh la]
[Hmm… there is reason for why I said that.. If India is for me, then Indonesia is for you…]
hey ADWRAJ..dun take the firdaus fella seriously..
he’s just bengang that ur right and he’s talking rubbish.
and it’s very clear.
n firdaus, if you can’t argue, then shut up !
why do you want to expose your stupidity which I think came from your ancestors.
[Haha, you went straight to the point. But nvm we shudn’t be like them, dun be so harsh la]
Hmm…Typical Indian and Christian community. When they lost points of argument, they just rubbish people’s points.
[Haha, go find out who's typical. You call urs as points...]
mr. firdaus omar please think before you comment…it takes 3 ethnic groups to make up this country…we all fought for independance together to achieve the same goal…without us indians and chinese our country is nothing!! what will you people do without us,make keropok lekor and sambal belacan and export it as income of the country?please use your mind.islam says be good to others and not to hurt others you shouldn’t take this opportunity to discriminate if god made you he made me too.you did not proof that you are a good islam so please think.kita hidup di dunia yang sementara hanya sekali sahaja.be good and go to heaven where you will see LINA JOY smiling at you
[Yea, they don't realise that and think as if we are stranger who come to stay in their country]
Please talk with arguments as backings, simply pushing an ideology that is so flawed doesn’t make u any wiser. To u know who…DUH
[Hope he realises]
It’s sad that even though I’m a 5th generation Malaysian Chinese we are still being treated as immigrants by some quarters in the country.
[Yes my friend. We are treated as if we are from somewhere else, but the truth is even they themself are from somewhere else but they claim to be originated from here. My grandma who has been in Malaysia for so many many years and she still havent got her PR. But some freakin so called Islamic immigrants from Indonesia get their PR like in seconds. And the best is, if they get married with some gals here, and their offspring will be BUMIPUTERA !!!, and if he becomes a blogger, i bet you he will be claiming that we are from some other place and he originated from here...]
You guys talk talk only. Empty headed. I agree with Jimmy K. File your case in syariah court then. That woman is damn stupid. If she’s find it susah here then belah to hubby’s country. Once there what’s the use of M’sian IC. Be a christian all you can.
[Bro, the woman is not stupid. I’ve met people involved in this case. Its juz the government who closes everything in our eyes… And change the whole case… Juz think, why shud she be going to syariah court.. Because the syariah will follow the Islamic laws… Not the real human laws… Thats the trick.. Dun trust Malaysian news…]
Sebenarnya Lina Joy ni pun bukan pandai sangat. Tapi adalah mangkok ayun yang sibuk hasut dia dari belakang. Hinggalah ada India yang kununnya pandai pun nak tumpang sekaki dan tujuk pandai. Harap India tu fahamlah ye.
[By the way, you saw all the comments which oppose you. That wasnt for Lina Joy's case... It was for your crap which you said earlier. Now jangan tunjuk pandai by going back to Lina Joy's case. Don't say you agree with Jimmy K, its juz because thats the only comment which is against what I said. Still till now you got no point backing your word. Don't be a dumb, if she goes to other country, what is her identification, when she take flight ticket or visa or anything, what religion will she be identified as. Don't juz say kalau tak suka, boleh belah. Why don't the court say, kalau tak suka agama Islam dalam I.C, boleh belah, tukar apa pun... Cannot because the government knows if they do it, many will 'belah' from ISLAM... !!! Take the FACT and stop the CRAP !!]
turn that cheek, andrew. jesus won’t be please now.
[This is not about turning cheek my fren, read the context properly. Jesus said if anyone slaps you on the right cheek show your left so that he will feel ashemed of what he did and realise what he did. Here I am just pointing out my views over the government. And if I show my other cheek right now, most probably that Firdaus Omar would juz slap me with all the strength he has... Jesus did not ask us to keep quiete as well... He gave us brain and intelectual to point out things..]
Firadus, pls don’t contradict yourself, you said we are living in ‘real peace’ and if that is so why ask Lina to belah to other country. This is her country also.As l said the Arabs christian don’t need to belah to other country is because the Arab muslim respected them as children of Abraham and their practices of lslam is more accurate that’s why they listen to their hearts and act with their conscience than just using the ’shallow and narrow minded human reasonings which is flawed with emotions’.So their peace is less pretentious and they respect each other because of their respect to the Creator which l sensed you are lacking by using degrading words on others.By calling people to go back to lndia or Beijing only proves that you must have done poorly in your History lesson or maybe you have a diffrent history book than ours.
firdaus..think about it…if it wasn’t for u guys,malayan union will exist and everyone will have equal rights…what about May 13,1969?..u guys started a civil war..we wanna live in peace in this country and u guys jus mess things up…i’m not criticising or downgrade Islam or Muslims around Malaysia..my religion never taught me that..neither did my parents..jus crticising people like you who jus wanna create problems..
Pertama sekali, saya musykil kenapa tulisan saya pada petang Jumaat yang pada awalnya disiarkan dalam blog ini (komen mengenai tulisan the truth is) tiba-tiba telah dihilangkan. Adakah ini kerana terkena batang hidung masing-masing yang saya anggap bodoh sombong itu?
Kedua pasal 13 May dan sebagainya, eloklah saudara baca tulisan Tan sri Haniff omar dlm ruangannya di dalam The Sunday Star semalam. Saya malas menulis pasal golongan pendatang yang buta sejarah ini. Cheerio.
[Minta maaf kawan, semasa saya update blog saya, saya tidak backup database saya selepas kamu komen.]
People..open up your eyes..
islam=death trap/bottomless pit
why?
-you get in,theres no turning back
-you muddle with it,your whole entire generation goes down with you..your sons..grandchildren..etc
If islam is really such a ‘good’ religion,why be such a chicken to open up and let her be what she wants?
haha..its just because they are too afraid many many more will follow after..
We have every right to choose whatsoever religion we want.
But,lets just say i was born into a muslim family.I will never be able to choose my own religion.If i feel that islam isnt just my choice..its all because of some joker in my ancestral line..now i am stuck.
anyways…to all you malay buggers out there..what makes you think that without immigrants like us,you all will survive?
yeah
those bloody politicians use up all the taxpayers money and stuff their fat faces with it..
a million bucks for a lamp post in putrajaya minus maintainence..throw in a few billion for the putrajaya building..wow.and yet..it still leaks..burst pipes..etc..
so whats the latest?
a “sports” arena in england?
..aiseh..just a “few” more billion lah..the chinese and indian buggers very kwai can pay tax wan mah..just enjoy lah!!..LOL.
talking about conversion..someting u guys said abt
“Maybe today this year she posts Christianity. Next year she post Satanism. Next year she can write Judaism. Maybe every week she can change religion mar..”
**** you.
So if today i decide to convert to islam(which trully is a [DELETED] religion),will you complain?
nah.i doubt it.
anyways..
why malayan union was being objected?
because the malays are weak.
why malays are given special rights?
because the malays are weak people,unable to survive on themselves.
why the quota system?
because the malays are weak people,unable to survive,need special needs..like an OKU.
MALAY PEOPLE ****!!
[DELETED]!!
[Friend, I understand your frustration. But I think this was a bit too harsh... You're right in what you're saying but your should not critisize their race. God made them as well... And yea you got the point well, they are just afraid if one convert, then many more will follow. So using all kind of reason's like 'maybe today this year she posts Christianity. Next year she post Satanism. Next year she can write Judaism'... This is all just to cover peoples eyes... And they don't realise that without us they can't survive. But anyways my fren, we should be polite in anyways.. If not masuk ISA...hehe...]
(they don’t realise that without us they can’t survive…) - Budak India.
Saya nak tergelak dengan kenyataan ini. Apakah saudara bermaksud, tanpa India dan Cina di negara ini, melayu tidak boleh survive? Saudara bermimpi di siang hari sebenarnya. We will better off without you all..he he.
[Kalau sangsi, apa kata sudara cari maksud 'malay' di kamus Inggeris yang lama. Mungkin awak akan faham maksud saya. Kalau better off, kenapa nak sampai hendak RMK 9..?? Orang India dan Cina punya duit, diberi kepada siapa ??]
ha ha ha.
Boo ya mr firdaus !!
Good one andrew ..
ha ha
RMK ??
Hey firdaus, anwer that la ..
padan muka ko ..
He he I don’t need RMK 9 or 10 or whatever…Tanyalah Samy Velu and Ong Ka Teng apa dia buat dengan duit tu semua?? He he.
[Yea rite, you dun need it coz its already applied on you]
Si Melayu-”Saya nak tergelak dengan kenyataan ini. Apakah saudara bermaksud, tanpa India dan Cina di negara ini, melayu tidak boleh survive? Saudara bermimpi di siang hari sebenarnya. We will better off without you all..he he.”
“He he I don’t need RMK 9 or 10 or whatever…Tanyalah Samy Velu and Ong Ka Teng apa dia buat dengan duit tu semua?? He he.”
Tengok btul btul la si bijak pandai…
kalaulah boleh sangat…cabarlah kerajaan cancel “special preveledges/rights” kau tu..cabarlah mrk supaya mansuhkan sistem kuota “malays” tu..kan kamu ni blh hidup tanpa kami..kan kau ni kata kau blh survive kan..pi lah..
tak boleh kan..
all kau org melayu tahu buat ialah duduk,hisap rokok,kahwin 4,lahir berlambak2 dan tunggu “rezeki” dan “pahala” dari tuhan kau..pasal wang..biar..kerajaan blh provide..asalkan zuriat ada..dah blh..
INILAH CABARAN TERBUKA KPADA NGKAU.BERANI KE TAK??
TAK BERANI,TOLONG DIAM.
[Hope the one who is suppose to read this...understands it]
(INILAH CABARAN TERBUKA KPADA NGKAU.BERANI KE TAK??
TAK BERANI,TOLONG DIAM.)
Well I never vote for this stupid government anyway..hehe..
Tak mengundi mereka bermakna saya memang tak suka dasar kerajaan ini. Jadi soal cabar mencabar bukan soalnya.
2. Pasal special privileges tu memanglah itu hak orang melayu sebagai bangsa asal negara ini. Apa nak buat? Kaum lain tu cuma pendatang sahaja. Sayapun sebenarnya tak boleh buat apa. Lagipun datok nenek moyang kamu dulu awal-awal lagi dah setuju. Cuma kamu saja macam yang bersikap macam belanda dapat tanah.
Sebagai tuan empunya rumah, biasalah. Dia boleh lepak-lepak saja. Kalau dia nak tidur sepanjang hari di rumah merekapun apa you all boleh buat. Bukan ke you all cuma menumpang saja?? He he. Jadi kamulah yang perlu bersopan santun. Kalau nak kurang ajar, baliklah ke kampong halaman nenek moyang kamu. Orang melayu tak ada halangan.
[Firdaus, INI DAH MELEBIHI BATAS !!! Jangan cakap macam orang bodoh !! Kami ni wargenegara Malaysia dan harus diberi hak sama rata dengan kamu... Kamu pun bukannya berasal dari sini... Jangan nak lagak... Lebih daripada separuh rakyat Melayu berasal dari negara-negara bersebelahan... HANYA KERANA CILAKA AGAMA... SEMUA DAPAT BUMIPUTERA... Anak luar nikah hasil daripada imigran lelaki indonesia dan perempuan tak tahu malu rakyat Malaysia pun boleh jadi bumiputera... Shut your mouth and dun act as if you don't know the truth...]
1.(Firdaus, INI DAH MELEBIHI BATAS !!!)
2.(Kamu pun bukannya berasal dari sini)..
3. Shut your mouth and dun act as if you don’t know the truth…
1. My comment basically is tit for tat only…
Orang melayu memang macam tu. Kalau orang baik dengan kita, kita akan seribu kali lebih baik. Tapi kalau orang kurang ajar dengan kita, kita boleh buat lebih dari itu. As simple as that.
2. Logiknya kenyataan ini mengesahkan bahawa anda semua memang bangsa pendatang.
3. You datang sini..you buat blog..you boleh kata macam-macam tentang Islam yang you tak tau hujung pangkal..you boleh kutuk orang melayu macam-macam, now you want to stop the malay from talking the truth. You memang budak india yang tak tau malu. Pooodah Cit.
[Oo.. Orang Malay from talking the truth... Saya datang sini tak dapat apa-apa.. kamu datang sini dapat semua]
2. “Pasal special privileges tu memanglah itu hak orang melayu sebagai bangsa asal negara ini.”
poodah cit malay..go back to where you belong la..look back in your bloody roots..
you are just a bunch of smelly people capable of nothing but deception and corruption..
pathetic.
your hang tuah..look back in sejarah melayu lah..he is from china..you ppl have no shame..branding him as “pahlawan MELAYU”..i wonder why..if malays are so darned good..why must they use such deception..
“3. You datang sini..you buat blog..you boleh kata macam-macam tentang Islam yang you tak tau hujung pangkal..you boleh kutuk orang melayu macam-macam, now you want to stop the malay from talking the truth.”
truth?
huh.all i see is a pig pathetically trying to defend the past of his..lying to himself..not wanting to belief in facts and reality..sad..sad..
just face the facts..haha…tak hujung pangkal eh..we’ll see about that someday aight?..
if your muhamad is so great..he wouldnt have needed Jesus to help him fight the devil..lol..cheapo..
“Sebagai tuan empunya rumah, biasalah. Dia boleh lepak-lepak saja. Kalau dia nak tidur sepanjang hari di rumah merekapun apa you all boleh buat. Bukan ke you all cuma menumpang saja?? He he. Jadi kamulah yang perlu bersopan santun. Kalau nak kurang ajar, baliklah ke kampong halaman nenek moyang kamu. Orang melayu tak ada halangan.”
Kampung halaman kamu?
Poodah cit…
Kpg halaman org iban,kadazan,penan..etc..barulah betul..kamu ni..hah…dilahirkan di celah kangkang keturunan pelari dari entah negara mana..ptooik!!..murah!
“Orang melayu memang macam tu. Kalau orang baik dengan kita, kita akan seribu kali lebih baik. Tapi kalau orang kurang ajar dengan kita, kita boleh buat lebih dari itu. As simple as that.”
Hello?..wake up asshole..please talk sense..
AND THIS IS TO ALL YOU OUT THERE..
FIRDAUS OMAR HAS JUST PROVEN HIMSELF TOO COWARDLY TO PROVE HIS CLAIM OF THAT MALAYS ARE CAPABLE BEINGS.THUS.I MUST SAY THAT..
MALAYS ARE COWARDLY WEAK BEINGS THAT SURVIVE ON OTHERS..LIKE A SLIMY STINKING PARASITE.
ALHAMDUILLAH.
[It was quite harsh, but I got no time to edit all these... Hey Firdaus, why can't you open your eyes even after all those opposing you...]
“Orang melayu memang macam tu. Kalau orang baik dengan kita, kita akan seribu kali lebih baik. Tapi kalau orang kurang ajar dengan kita, kita boleh buat lebih dari itu. As simple as that.”
so..what can you do mr firdaus?
chase all the chinese and indians out of this country?
wow.i am soooo scared…*aah!!mummy..mummy..!!*..*gasps*
(so..what can you do mr firdaus?
chase all the chinese and indians out of this country?
wow.i am soooo scared…*aah!!mummy..mummy..!!*..*gasps*)
Well we are not going to chase you out or what so ever, but the reality is you are golongan pendatang.
(I MUST SAY THAT..
MALAYS ARE COWARDLY WEAK BEINGS THAT SURVIVE ON OTHERS..LIKE A SLIMY STINKING PARASITE.)
Parasite?! Bukankah golongan pendatang dan penumpang itu parasite? Sedarlah diri sikit bro..
(a bunch of smelly people capable of nothing but deception and corruption..)
Eh I thought Indian and Chinese are smelly a lot…Pagipun tak mandi. Berakpun tak cebok…He he.
Corruption…? What about Samy Vellu? What about Ling Leong Sik?
(if your muhamad is so great..he wouldnt have needed Jesus to help him fight the devil..lol..cheapo..)
Lu gila ke lu mabok? Jesus never exist in Islam, how can Muhamad seeks his help? If what you meant is Isa Alaihisalam, he is just another prophet of Allah. He is not God but just a prophet. We recognized him as one of prophet.
[Remember that you are golongan pendatang too... Actually you are the one who needs to sedar... Bout smelly, I told you to go and check old dictionary about what 'malay' means ??
And please talk with respect... You are currently going over the limit...]
[It was quite harsh, but I got no time to edit all these… Hey Firdaus, why can’t you open your eyes even after all those opposing you…]
Siapalah sangat yng oppose I…Dua tiga budak hitam aje. He he..
[Awak memang tak akan faham sampai bila-bila... Tengok betul betul semua komen...]
“Parasite?! Bukankah golongan pendatang dan penumpang itu parasite? Sedarlah diri sikit bro..”
Hello?Parasit?..Kau bolehtak gunakan kepala hotak kau tu?
Pernahkan sesekali org cina dan melayu gunakan wang daripada sumbangan orang melayu?Adakah prioriti negara diberikan kepada kami?
“Lu gila ke lu mabok? Jesus never exist in Islam, how can Muhamad seeks his help? If what you meant is Isa Alaihisalam, he is just another prophet of Allah. He is not God but just a prophet. We recognized him as one of prophet.”
Numbskull..Jesus=Isa.
We call him jesus u call him isa.
So..aargh..what an IDIOT..
“Eh I thought Indian and Chinese are smelly a lot…Pagipun tak mandi. Berakpun tak cebok…He he.”
Hah?!..Pagi tak mandi?..tergelak saya..kami tak la makan guna tangan..
kami berak mmg ada cebok..bodoh..
and btw mr smartypants,i am a chinese,you
pathetic moron…[OK, no more fights in this blog... Please use proper language... And Crusader and Firdaus, please be a little polite]
One of my Malay friends once told me that if not for the Indians and the Chinese, the Malays would probably still be living along the rivers dependent on fish from the rivers. I guess there must be certain truth in it, for him to say so. Talking about privilages, the only area the Bumiputras have not been given special privilage is in sports. I don’t mean in selection, but as a handicap. Imagine the rest have to run a full 100 Meters while the Bumis only have to run 90 Meters. That should be fun, huh?
[OK, that was good but too bad they think its their rights but they don't realise they are weak...]
{Numbskull..Jesus=Isa.
We call him jesus u call him isa.
So..aargh..what an IDIOT..}
OK OK now I know…according to you Jesus=Isa. Find. Meaning that Jesus is just a prophet. Since he is Isa, he is not GOD. He is just a human being like us but he is a prophet. How can then Muhamad seek his help?
[OK, no more fights in this blog… Please use proper language… And Crusader and Firdaus, please be a little polite]
For my part tak delah saya nak memaki agama kamu dan sebagainya. Tak adalah saya guna perkataan seperti…
["HANYA KERANA CILAKA AGAMA… SEMUA DAPAT BUMIPUTERA… Anak luar nikah hasil daripada imigran lelaki indonesia dan perempuan tak tahu malu rakyat Malaysia pun boleh jadi bumiputera… Shut your mouth and dun act as if you don’t know the truth…]” …you know who use this kind of language…
Itulah masalahnya kalau kamu semua terlalu emotional. Kamu kena relax dan fahami sejarah betul-betul. Kamu kena bersyukur, (see how beautiful is my language - tak de maki-makipun), lihat betapa bernasib baiknya pendatang seperti kamu dan Crusader boleh maki kami, boleh maki agama kami dan kami tak ambil apa-apa tindakan. Kami faham, sebagai pendatang kamu ada masalah inferiority complex. Tak pe kami bagi chance..he he.
[Itu adalah kerana perkataan kamu yang melampau... Saya tidak ingin bertengkar lagi...]
you were bullshitting..where did you get that ‘fact’ of yours? from devils..? hmmm..
it’s pathetic to accuse someone without evidence, don’t ya think..? hmm (again)..
sorry to say but from what I see here you guys are having a stupid ideology called “racism”..which was first being practiced by the low-class BN party during the olden days..
Did Alleh teaches racism..? No right..
And btw, I’m not a Malay but I’m Muslim.
[Itu adalah kerana perkataan kamu yang melampau… Saya tidak ingin bertengkar lagi…]
OK bro..I accept that you tak nak bertengkar lagi. But fact is fact bro. Cheerio..
What non muslim think is not what a muslim think . We think beyond worldly thought.Christian and other religions are phased out belief . Expired. Use your mentality not just as it is . Read more about religions compare and thihk and think.
Save yourselves before it is too late.Right thing is not always right . The strong may win , numbers may win . Facts and human reasoning, arguments win court cases. There will be more “Murtads” after Lina Joy . The World Beyond After Death
will deside. We muslim know we are in the right path. Laugh today , tomorrow May God have mercy on you.
[Please do not claim yourself as a holy person by saying that you think beyond the worldly thought. Do you think that we Christians don't think spiritually ?? Its not our religion is expired.. Its that your religion came late..haven't have enough time to mature itself. It is not Murtad that you are worried. If a person thinks that Christianity is right and also wish to save him/herself, why are you Muslim's stopping that ?? Are you afraid many will turn to Christianity ?? Why are you using lame excuses ?? And we Christians know that we are on the right path too. We are not laughing..but trying to save others from being doomed. No offence k...]
Maskun, l recomend you to read a posting by Raja Petra Kamarudin, in Malaysians Unplugged Uncencored.Titled a christian annoited your prophet. When you read it maybe you can learn to respect God’s creations and stop thinking as though you have ‘met’ with God.l can only say l pity your ‘katak dalam tempurung’ mentality.no offense.
Saya seorang Melayu dan mempercayai Islam 100%… saya juga mengiktiraf anda semua sahabat saya cina dan india seolah2 macam 1 keluarga… Dan saya sememangnya menyokong penuh kalau hak keistimewaan bumiputera dimasuhkan sepenuhnya… tp dlm masa yg sama saya paham kenapa kerajaan masih mengekalkan hak keistimewaan itu, saya rasa cara yang paling baik mungkin mansuhkannya dalam pada semua generasi sebelum merdeka meninggal dunia….mungkin 20 thn akan datang…
saya perhatikan wujudnya jurang antara kaum sebab hak keistimewaan nie…. Ok tutuplah kisah tu…
saya ingin bertanya kepada anda betulkah agama kristian menggunakan wang untuk menarik individu bukan kristian memeluk agamanya… minta maaf, kalau macam tu, sama lah mcm BN tarik undi pakai duit… he he he
betulkah kristian menggunakan air suci (holy water) adalah sihir untuk mengkristiankan manusia…
konsep agama Islam ialah tiada paksaan untuk sesiapa yg tertarik untuk memeluknya…
Lagi satu, manusia sebelum dibaptiskan adalah sememangnya melakukan dosa termasuk bayi kecil….
Ho ho ho, bagi Islam bayi kecil tiada dosa….
Sebenarnya… kalau anda tahu benarnya Islam, anda akan terus memeluknya banyak penemuan sains terdapat dalam al-quran….
Saya sebenarnya teringin nak bertemu dgn anda dan berdebat mengenai kebenaran agama kami iaitu Islam…
saya sebenarnya menghormati anda dan semua kaum cina dan india kerana kehebatan anda semua ( you’re 1st class) tetapi simpati kerana kamu x nmpak kebenaran Islam…
terus-terang saya katakan, kalau saya nampak kristian itu benar saya akan mengikutnya….
Tapi…. saya memperolehi banyak bukti mengatakan Islam adalah benar dan banyak pembohongan mengenai agama kristian( saya minta maaf byk2 pada anda)…
Saya berdoa kepada Allah( tuhan saya dan tuhan anda semua mengikut kepercayaan kami) semoga anda melihat sendiri keindahan dan kebenaran Islam yang tiada tandingan dengan agama lain… Saya juga berdoa supaya kita boleh berjumpa di syurga selepas mati nanti dan tentulah saudara sebagai seorang islam…. Amin
[Hai, mohamadden. Saya suka cara kamu yang begitu profesional dan keikhlasan kamu. Saya juga gembira mendengar seorang bumiputera yang open minded dalam hal hak keistimewaan.
Sekarang izinkan saya menjawab semua soalan kamu.
Perkara ini bukan sahaja berlaku dalam agama Kristian. Saya juga mendengar kes sebegini dalam agama Islam. Agama Kristian tidak menggunakan wang untuk menarik orang ke agamanya tetapi kamu harus faham bahawa ada orang Kristian yang tidak bertanggungjawab membuat perkara sebegini.
Tidak, saya seorang protestan dan kami tidak langsung mengunakan air suci. Malah saya tidak pernah mendengar perkara macam ini.
Pembabtisan bukan untuk menghilangkan segala dosa. Ia hanya sebagai tanda kepada dunia bahawa individu tersebut telah menjadi seorang yang baru dan meninggalkan kehidupan dosanya yang lama. Bagi bayi, itu adalah hak ibu bapanya untuk membabtiskan bayi tersebut.
Anda juga akan memeluk agama Kristian jika anda tahu kebenarannya. Terdapat juga bankyak penemuan Sains yang terdapat dalam Bible. Bible juga masih tepat dengan apa yang berlaku kepada dunia ini sekarang. Saya juga berminat untuk berbincang dengan anda dengan kebenaran Tuhan dan tidak hanya berdebat untuk melihat siapa yang hebat. Yesus mengatakan bahawa dialah yang benar (the truth) tetapi Nabi Muhammad tidak mengatakannya. Saya juga simpati terhadap anda kerana tidak nampak kebenaran.
Saya juga mempunyai bukti bahawa Kristian adalah benar dan juga banyak ketidaksahihan Islam.
Saya juga berdoa kepada Yesus bahawa kamu akan diselamatkan. Saya juga berharap untuk melihat anda di syurga satu hari nanti.]
terima kasih kepada anda kerana mendoakan terhadap saya walaupun dengan cara anda sendiri, saya sememangnya menghargai akan keikhlasan anda dan juga saya berdoa semoga anda memperolehi kebenaran agama iaitu Islam suatu hari nanti… Amin
saya ingin bertanya anda mengenai holy trinity, dan saya percaya ia adalah perkara pokok dalam agama kristian… holy trinity adalah gabungan 3 tuhan iaitu jesus christ, ghost of holy spirit dan godfather…betulkan,
saya nampak ada kecacatan dalam agama anda kerana tuhan yang maha berkuasa tidak perlu untuk bergabung dari 3 menjadi 1…
saya juga perhatikan watak ghost of holy spirit macam tidak wujud…. untuk pengetahuan anda mengikut ajaran agama kami (Islam), Allah S.W.T (S.W.T= utk mengambarkan keagungan dan kekuasaanNYA) telah memerintahkan malaikat Jibril meniup roh suci kedalam perut Siti Maryam, maka lahirlah nabi Isa tanpa bapa…. inilah pandangan agama kami (dan 100% benar bg kami) yang mengatakan mengenai kekeliruan kaum kristian terhadap isa sehingga mengangkat isa sebagai tuhan…
persamaan dalam agama kami dengan agama kristian mengenai kisah itu ialah, Allah S.W.T=godfather, ghost of holy spirit= malaikat jibril, nabi Isa=jesus christ, siti maryam=virgin mary….
jadi berbalik kepada ghost of holy spirit, saya perhatikan manusia pada masa itu agak rendah pemikiran (terlalu kagum mendengar cerita yg pelik) saya rasa kalau Allah S.W.T mengutuskan bidadari dari syurga yg sgt cantik mereka akan berkata “itu tuhan kecantikan”, kalau Allah mengutuskan malaikat mikael (mungkin dlm kristian michael) mereka akan kata itu tuhan rezeki….pendek kata mereka sangat kagum dgn benda “Sam’iyat” (maksudnya benda yg kami percayai tetapi kami x dpt melihatnya)
lagi satu, kalau anda gambarkan jesus christ adalah anak tuhan sebab dia tiada bapa, tp kami tidak pernah menggambarkan muhammad kekasih Allah seperti kekasih suami isteri….. kami tahu dan paham, Allah maha 1(esa) tdk ada anak dan tidak akan diperanakkan… bagi kami keagungan Allah tidak dapat dibayangkan…. Saya boleh buat rumusan (mnta maaf kalau anda tersinggung) bahawa manusia pada masa itu telah mengubah kitab suci yg datangnya dari perkataan Allah “kallamullah dlm Islam” mengikut selera mereka, seperti org melayu dulu membuat penglipur lara….
saya ada banyak hujah lagi, walaubagaimanapun saya menunggu jawapan anda dulu, sekali lagi saya berdoa semoga Allah S.W.T membuka pintu hati anda akan kebenaran Islam… Amin
saya dapati, anda tidak mahu menjawab soalan saya, namun saya faham mengapa anda tidak mahu berbuat demikian… Ini kerana soalan saya tempohari telah terkeluar daripada topik perbincangan asal….
saya ingin meminta maaf kepada anda bagi mengembalikan semula ketenteraman blog anda ini…
saya juga ingin mengucapkan ribuan terima kasih kepada anda kerana telah menyiarkan tulisan saya tanpa dipotong..
berbalik kepada topik perbincangan asal… bagi saya (pandangan peribadi saya & tiada kena mengena dgn pandangan hukum Islam) Lina joy berhak menukarkan status agama dlm ICnya kepada Kristian….
kepada kawan saya yg beragama Islam, cuba anda fikir jika anda asalnya seorang kristian, lepas tu anda memeluk Islam & malangnya status agama anda ialah kristian…. tentulah hidup anda susah…
sebagai contoh anda ingin menunaikan haji, dan tentulah hajat anda susah untuk dilaksana… apabila anda mati pula, keluarga anda akan menghadapi kesukaran untuk menguruskan mayat anda cara Islam…
tidak kisah lah agama kristian itu benar atau tidak, hak beragama adalah hak individu tersebut
[Minta maaf kawan, cuma saya agak sibuk kebelakangan ini. Pada mulanya, saya ingin menjawab soalan anda tetapi saya rasa, lebih baik kita berbincang dengan peribadi daripada menyiarkan perbincangan kita di blog ini. Anda boleh menghubungi saya untuk berbincang.
Saya amat terharu dengan fikiran anda yang begitu luas dan praktikal. Seorang Melayu dan juga beragama Islam mampu berfikir demikian. Saya juga berharap lebih ramai orang dari kaum Melayu berfikiran seperti anda. Terima kasih untuk komen anda dan harap dapat berhubung dengan anda secepat mungkin.]
mohamadden, l recommend you to read an article by Raja Petra kamarudin in Malaysians Unplugged Uncensored somewhere in Dec 2007.This article will broaden your religious views The title a Christian Annointed Prophet Mohammad.There are many things which we cannot share in this blog as its too sensitive, so l agree with Andrew that if you want to find more info, you should contact him. lslamic tradition called Jesus ‘RUHULLAH’ that means the Spirit of God(the thoughts).Neither the Spirit of God nor the Word (the mind express) of HIM can have been created since whatsoever proceeds from God Himself is part of God Himself.Remember God created just by saying and it comes into existence. Surah Al Nisa 171, Jesus being a Spirt proceeding from God.ln the Quran Jesus was ‘Ruhun Mirhu’Spirit of God.Surah Al lmran 3 45, Jesus was called Kalimatullah the Word Of God. Malaikat berkata,Ya Maryam, sesungguhnya Allah memberi khabar sukacita kepadamu dengan Firman Allah,Firman itu bernama Al Masih lsa (Jesus),ibunu Maryam yang berkuasa didunia dan didalam akhirat dan yang paling dekat dengan Allah.Surah Az-Zukhruf 43-61,And Jesus shall be a sign for the coming of the hour of Judgement. Therefore have no doubt about the hour , but follow Me(Jesus)for this is the Straight Path. So l assume your idea of Tuhan Bergabung Tiga as incorrect and christians prayed to God in Jesus ’s Name and NOT to Jesus . No offence cheers.God Bless.
well, i think Islam is a good religion, same as Christian. Dua2 nya mengajar tentang kebaikan dan cinta kasih Tuhan terhadap kita.
Cuma cara penganutnya melayan agama lain adalah salah(i mean in our country especially Malays). Di negara lain, org Islam melayan agama lain dengan baik dan agama lain diberi hak yg sama rata mcm mereka.
Walaubagaimanapun, sy tdk kata smua Melayu itu jahat. But as we can c, majoritinya adalah mereka yg bersikap ‘pilih bulu’.
And about Lina Joy, she’s not an arrogant women laa. cuba fikir balik, she’s christian but in her IC, she’s muslim. It’s hard 4 her u knw. No freedom!
I hope Jesus will show her the way and give her the light so that she can settle her prob.
Peace to be upon you…
First of all, I don’t think it is a good idea to argue about the religion… Islam has it own way of teaching, so do Kristian, buddha and hindu itself…. Every religion and the person whom regarded themselves belong to the religion supposed to improve their knowledge of their own religion, not criticising others…
Secondly, wouldn’t it be bad if a person whom lack of understanding of their own religion to made a false thought of the others. It would just be like, ibu ketam mengajar anaknya berjalan lurus….
I didn’t mean to hurt the feeling of those who have sincerely or maybe impulsively gave their opinion here, but, as a muslim, I feel deeply ashamed of the act of some muslim writer here that appear to hurt the others feeling…. For that, I would like to emphasize one of the famous verses in Al-Quran, which is included in my form 2 text book,
Laa iqraha fiddin…(tiada paksaan dalam agama(Islam))
Finally, I would like to beg for thousands of apologies from the blog master, hope you don’t mind me commenting…Thank you…
[Thanks for the comment. Of course I don't mind you commenting]
dai firdaus, wont u just shut ur FUC***G mouth ???? ur one useless dog licking the road which people SH*T onto eat. dai BASTE*D, u one such FUC***G dog……. SU** m* C**k. go n die lah doggie PU**M*K CI**I GORENG. dai bladdy mala* dogs eat ma shi* lah suc*e* u r the biggest fuc** on earth. u mala** one shit !! ur ancestor another shi* can u tell me where the FUC* those raja - raja the ketuanan ??? dai wat the FUC* on the mother fuc*in* a** ho** u r ??? ci*** punya org, makan ta* lah u
kalau, boleh, mati cepat.
i will await for ur death
Sigh, by the looks of it, this page is one happy little blog. (/end sarcasm)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But then again, we have got to have understanding and tolerance to respect them and I don’t see so much as a morsel of it in here.
I wouldn’t give a hoot if you run around this country saying that you are a pure Malaysian because you are a Muslim. Fine, whatever, just don’t condemn the other religions as if they are some kind of coffee stain on your brand new, white T-shirt.
I believe religion is a way of connecting to God, and this has been started since humans are civilised enough to outgrow from their jumbo mumbo talk and killing-the-dinosaurs-for-lunch thing. By then, we started to think. This one dude probably thought that no human or dinosaur must have created trees and grass and dirt and hair. And then another must have said that they can’t just pop into existence without some mighty power behind it all. Maybe at this moment, most people agreed.
I have no idea which religion came out first, and I never will, but that’s not what I am going to talk about. About Lina Joy’s case, I still don’t understand why the goverment/court/whatever doesn’t allow her to convert into another religion. I do know that you are not allowed to convert in the Islamic religion, as it’s not a game to be messed with. But what about our heart? What about our commitment? I mean, if you were forced to join an organisation or an activity that you have 0% interest with (I am going to say, sewing) and no way out, will you give your best? If it were me, I wouldn’t, and I don’t care if my embrodiery comes out looking like vomit, as long as I can get into an organisation I like next year.
But I am not saying religion is like an organisation. This is just an small example.
And about different religion having different gods, I have to say that religion is, once again, a way to connect with God Himself. Whether his name is Muhamed or Jesus or something else, he is still God, that’s all. Just that we are under different teachings, etc.
Okay, I am done. You’d better think twice before you try to flame me for stating my own opinion. If you think I am going to bend on my knees and beg for mercy and forgiveness, then you are wrong.
It’s time for this 13 year old to log out. Ciao.
sori geng, disturbed u all, actually saya baru balik dari menggadai nyawa saya di bawah un-mission. i think you all boleh agakkan kerja saya. after setahun lebih kat sana teringat kes lina joy, tup-tup terbuka blog ni. Once bukak saja, saya sudah rasa marah sebab saudara andrew sebut di awal-awal lagi this is a useless country. Mungkin u masih muda cik andrew, i dont want to talk about religion kat sini but to advice u, mind your word..tak baik kita cakap macam tu, if u think this country tak sesuai dengan u, then by all means, pse select mana negara you nak pergi then off you go. nobody will hurt u. Do you know that this country once called Tanah Melayu, but since we compromised, oklah lets called Malaysia dengan harapan boleh hidup aman damai. What ever isu negara especially isu-isu agama, dontlah kita hangatkan lagi situation. you may give your opinion but never ever libatkan penghinaan keatas negara, we are lucky enaugh to be born in Malaysia, can u imagine if u we born in india, sri lanka, conggo or sierra leon. i wish to meet u one day at the ground zero area so that i can advice u nicely. sorry geng my word might be harsh but my advice don’t play-play with penghinaan terhadap negara saya, i think u should learn the history of Malaysian Sniper so that u tahu how chickenning we are. jadikanlah 13 mei sebagai pengajaran, don’t let it happened again. pselah, u all patut rasa shukur hidup aman damai macam ni, ni i dengar ada tunjuk perasaanlah, hindraflah. sori ok, just an advice. tq